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I spent my childhood in Colorado, I was visiting with some old friends back in January and they told me how a shit ton of fuckers from California moved there and were trying to turn it into California. WTF? I am afraid we are close to next.

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I spent my childhood in Colorado, I was visiting with some old friends back in January and they told me how a shit ton of fuckers from California moved there and were trying to turn it into California. WTF? I am afraid we are close to next.



It's either California or the East Coast... I was talking with a Californian transplant to Colorado, he said he wished Colorado had some laws like California... I asked what he meant by that. He repilied about banning big grucks from thd left lane. I was still shocked...


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It is a scary thought that we could end up like our brothers in CO. Despite WA having been a blue state for some time now (thanks, King County!), we have managed to hold onto most of our rights, especially in the 2A arena. We're still a shall-issue state for CCW, and we don't have any long gun registration (yet). We've even made small victories in the past few years with the legalized use of both suppressors and SBRs. But all that does appear to be threatened now as outside interest groups seek to impose their anti-2A ideology over the will of WA residents. There is no better example than the infusion of Bloomberg's cash into the I-594 campaign. The reason it works is because King County is run by like-minded aristocrats who manipulate the faux intellectuals, nanny-state dependents, and low-information voters into supporting their statist ideology using emotional appeals and carrots on sticks.

The transformation of states from red/purple to blue is the direct result of an electorate that doesn't recognize or understand reality and therefore cannot begin to decide how best to govern themselves. That is why they willingly (but unwittingly) exchange their essential liberties for empty promises of physical and economic security. That is why our state continues to elect idiots like Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to represent us in the upper chamber of the United States Congress.

I firmly believe that the manifestation of the liberal regressive agenda in public school curricula and policies over the past 3 decades is a major factor in this. Our kids are graduating ill-educated and ill-prepared to make well-informed decisions about economics, politics, morality, or personal responsibility. They have been coddled and insulated from consequences rather than made ready to face the harsh realities of life. They have been indoctrinated to believe that they deserve the same things in life as everyone else, just by virtue of having human DNA and a pulse. They have been taught that America is an unfair nation, and the only way to make amends for the sins of past generations is to go on a modern-day "social justice" crusade - a misguided movement that continues to add to an already-crippling debt and further divides the nation along race, gender, class, and political lines.

Parents who are conscious of these problems have been able to prevent some of these kids' minds from being infected by this regressive cancer on our society, but far too many now-adults have been brainwashed into believing there are no moral absolutes, that government knows best, that rights are really just privileges, and that social issues are a bigger concern than the economy, national security, or a functional government. When huge swaths of low- or ill-informed voters head to the polls, you can count on the outcome of the election to be bad for both individual liberty and American greatness.


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It is a scary thought that we could end up like our brothers in CO. Despite WA having been a blue state for some time now (thanks, King County!), we have managed to hold onto most of our rights, especially in the 2A arena. We're still a shall-issue state for CCW, and we don't have any long gun registration (yet). We've even made small victories in the past few years with the legalized use of both suppressors and SBRs. But all that does appear to be threatened now as outside interest groups seek to impose their anti-2A ideology over the will of WA residents. There is no better example than the infusion of Bloomberg's cash into the I-594 campaign. The reason it works is because King County is run by like-minded aristocrats who manipulate the faux intellectuals, nanny-state dependents, and low-information voters into supporting their statist ideology using emotional appeals and carrots on sticks.

The transformation of states from red/purple to blue is the direct result of an electorate that doesn't recognize or understand reality and therefore cannot begin to decide how best to govern themselves. That is why they willingly (but unwittingly) exchange their essential liberties for empty promises of physical and economic security. That is why our state continues to elect idiots like Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to represent us in the upper chamber of the United States Congress.

I firmly believe that the manifestation of the liberal regressive agenda in public school curricula and policies over the past 3 decades is a major factor in this. Our kids are graduating ill-educated and ill-prepared to make well-informed decisions about economics, politics, morality, or personal responsibility. They have been coddled and insulated from consequences rather than made ready to face the harsh realities of life. They have been indoctrinated to believe that they deserve the same things in life as everyone else, just by virtue of having human DNA and a pulse. They have been taught that America is an unfair nation, and the only way to make amends for the sins of past generations is to go on a modern-day "social justice" crusade - a misguided movement that continues to add to an already-crippling debt and further divides the nation along race, gender, class, and political lines.

Parents who are conscious of these problems have been able to prevent some of these kids' minds from being infected by this regressive cancer on our society, but far too many now-adults have been brainwashed into believing there are no moral absolutes, that government knows best, that rights are really just privileges, and that social issues are a bigger concern than the economy, national security, or a functional government. When huge swaths of low- or ill-informed voters head to the polls, you can count on the outcome of the election to be bad for both individual liberty and American greatness.


Yep, there is great danger that we will end up like CA, CO, etc, and the reason is that firearm owners are associated with the insane rightwing rants such as above, for which, frankly, no one under the age of 40 finds any use...

The best way to kill the guns off is to firmly implant them among the rest of Republican "values" in the eyes of an average voter.

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That is why they willingly (but unwittingly) exchange their essential liberties for empty promises of physical and economic security.


This little tidbit has been at the front and center of my thoughts...
Why would any one think that by trading the Natural Right of self-defense for promises of future security that they'd end up safer?
And let's go a step further and ask "So? So what IF the electorate ended up safer? Is it better to be less free but have slightly more physical security?"

Arguments that ask We The People to trade any sliver of those essential liberties for a promise of future security should be recognized immediately as shallow thinking.
We -were- the most free people in the world among those who were governed... The Founding Fathers designed a system that put us in charge of ourselves... and they called it a "Great Experiment."

Sadly, it looks like the experiment has a finite life span, as far as the people's interest in personal freedom is concerned. For whatever reason (population density? lack of education? wholesale welfare state that covers some segments of the population from birth to death?) we seem to be moving towards tyranny and away from personal freedoms.

I agree with Soly to a point. Tying personal freedom and the Bill of Rights in with Either of the two big political parties is foolishness.
Thomas Jefferson had a lot to say about how the division of mens' (humans') thoughts dictated their party affiliations and votes, and gave solid advice promoting independent thought.
My belief is in the sanctity of the Bill of Rights. All of them. The 2nd seems to be the most vulnerable right now, and for that reason I am a one-issue voter. It is the ONLY position of a candidate that I will base a decision solely upon, and only look at other topics if there is no clear difference on this, the most valuable of our Natural Rights because it lends us teeth to enforce the rest.

I find Thomas Jefferson to be the wisest of all of our Founding Fathers and often turn to his writings and quotes to be reminded of pithy truths.

Quote:
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.


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All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.


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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.


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solyanik wrote:
Guns4Liberty wrote:
It is a scary thought that we could end up like our brothers in CO. Despite WA having been a blue state for some time now (thanks, King County!), we have managed to hold onto most of our rights, especially in the 2A arena. We're still a shall-issue state for CCW, and we don't have any long gun registration (yet). We've even made small victories in the past few years with the legalized use of both suppressors and SBRs. But all that does appear to be threatened now as outside interest groups seek to impose their anti-2A ideology over the will of WA residents. There is no better example than the infusion of Bloomberg's cash into the I-594 campaign. The reason it works is because King County is run by like-minded aristocrats who manipulate the faux intellectuals, nanny-state dependents, and low-information voters into supporting their statist ideology using emotional appeals and carrots on sticks.

The transformation of states from red/purple to blue is the direct result of an electorate that doesn't recognize or understand reality and therefore cannot begin to decide how best to govern themselves. That is why they willingly (but unwittingly) exchange their essential liberties for empty promises of physical and economic security. That is why our state continues to elect idiots like Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to represent us in the upper chamber of the United States Congress.

I firmly believe that the manifestation of the liberal regressive agenda in public school curricula and policies over the past 3 decades is a major factor in this. Our kids are graduating ill-educated and ill-prepared to make well-informed decisions about economics, politics, morality, or personal responsibility. They have been coddled and insulated from consequences rather than made ready to face the harsh realities of life. They have been indoctrinated to believe that they deserve the same things in life as everyone else, just by virtue of having human DNA and a pulse. They have been taught that America is an unfair nation, and the only way to make amends for the sins of past generations is to go on a modern-day "social justice" crusade - a misguided movement that continues to add to an already-crippling debt and further divides the nation along race, gender, class, and political lines.

Parents who are conscious of these problems have been able to prevent some of these kids' minds from being infected by this regressive cancer on our society, but far too many now-adults have been brainwashed into believing there are no moral absolutes, that government knows best, that rights are really just privileges, and that social issues are a bigger concern than the economy, national security, or a functional government. When huge swaths of low- or ill-informed voters head to the polls, you can count on the outcome of the election to be bad for both individual liberty and American greatness.


Yep, there is great danger that we will end up like CA, CO, etc, and the reason is that firearm owners are associated with the insane rightwing rants such as above, for which, frankly, no one under the age of 40 finds any use...

The best way to kill the guns off is to firmly implant them among the rest of Republican "values" in the eyes of an average voter.
Salient reply as always Soly. So...which of his suppositions were incorrect or particularly "right-wing" in your learned opinion? The overall indoctrination of the children part, or, the part about the self righteous rich liberal whiners all shoving "their" view of things down our throats consistently? The facts do lean in his direction.


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When you meet a Californian visiting WA, always remember to wish them a good visit, and remind them to go home.

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When you meet a Californian visiting WA, always remember to wish them a good visit, and remind them to go home.

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Take it easy . . . you live in Oregon, he wasn't talking about you.

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That is why they willingly (but unwittingly) exchange their essential liberties for empty promises of physical and economic security.


This little tidbit has been at the front and center of my thoughts...
Why would any one think that by trading the Natural Right of self-defense for promises of future security that they'd end up safer?
And let's go a step further and ask "So? So what IF the electorate ended up safer? Is it better to be less free but have slightly more physical security?"

Arguments that ask We The People to trade any sliver of those essential liberties for a promise of future security should be recognized immediately as shallow thinking.
We -were- the most free people in the world among those who were governed... The Founding Fathers designed a system that put us in charge of ourselves... and they called it a "Great Experiment."

Sadly, it looks like the experiment has a finite life span, as far as the people's interest in personal freedom is concerned. For whatever reason (population density? lack of education? wholesale welfare state that covers some segments of the population from birth to death?) we seem to be moving towards tyranny and away from personal freedoms.

I agree with Soly to a point. Tying personal freedom and the Bill of Rights in with Either of the two big political parties is foolishness.
Thomas Jefferson had a lot to say about how the division of mens' (humans') thoughts dictated their party affiliations and votes, and gave solid advice promoting independent thought.
My belief is in the sanctity of the Bill of Rights. All of them. The 2nd seems to be the most vulnerable right now, and for that reason I am a one-issue voter. It is the ONLY position of a candidate that I will base a decision solely upon, and only look at other topics if there is no clear difference on this, the most valuable of our Natural Rights because it lends us teeth to enforce the rest.

I find Thomas Jefferson to be the wisest of all of our Founding Fathers and often turn to his writings and quotes to be reminded of pithy truths.

Quote:
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.


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All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.


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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.


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The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.


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mancat wrote:
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why is your ass red?


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When you meet a Californian visiting WA, always remember to wish them a good visit, and remind them to go home.

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why is your ass red?


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When you meet a Californian visiting WA, always remember to wish them a good visit, and remind them to go home.

Kiss my rosy red ass


Take it easy . . . you live in Oregon, he wasn't talking about you.


What? Mike, did you move even further south?

Steve, I thought he was tossing a come-on Mancat's way. :bigsmile: Maybe thought he was sending it in PM? hahah

I used to think along the lines of "Get Thee Hence, Enemy of Freedom!" and even considered maybe letting the cities decide for THE CITIES about what they thought 2A rights ought to be... Kind of a compromise.
But a WaGunner (I don't remember which) gave a very short rebuttal to that idea... The Constitution applies to all of the United States, even if it is unequally enforced.

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