Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:53 pm
Sinus211 wrote:MadPick wrote:I just edited my OP to add this:To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:
a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.
b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.
Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.
No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.
So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L?
What ever happened to leadcounsel? He was always so helpful.
Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:51 pm
wilmermj wrote:Sinus211 wrote:MadPick wrote:I just edited my OP to add this:To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:
a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.
b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.
Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.
No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.
So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L?
What ever happened to leadcounsel? He was always so helpful.
Ryan(leadconsel) left the state a couple years ago. He saw the writing on the wall and bounced. I think he is in Az? I don’t remember exactly.
Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:00 pm
Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:49 pm
Sinus211 wrote:That’s weird someone told me he moved to the corner of unbased opinions and unwarranted confidence.
Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:10 pm
MadPick wrote:No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.
So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L?
(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or
(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts
from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon
Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:58 pm
Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:14 pm
Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:36 am
Guns4Liberty wrote:So, which is it? The lack of any separating punctuation or distinct clarity in the definition leads me to ask, "What was the authors' intent?" Did they intend to preserve our ability to legally manufacture, import, distribute, and sell individual AR-15/AK-47/etc. parts? The short answer is, hell no. They intended to make this as painful as possible. And I think we can obtain more insight into their intent by evaluating a couple of key words in definition (iii).
Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:10 am
Guns4Liberty wrote:Let's also look at another word in the definition:from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon
For example, if you are offering an AR-15 bolt carrier group for sale, just ask yourself, "Can this part be used in the assembly of an assault weapon?" And the answer is obviously "yes, it can".
Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:14 am
Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:49 am
jukk0u wrote:I believe the traitorous pricks wrote a clause into the law saying if one aspect of it is found faulty it will not nullify the remainder.
Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:57 am
OODA_Loop wrote:We were beaten by ..... urban demographics.
Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:03 am
Sinus211 wrote:MadPick wrote:I just edited my OP to add this:To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:
a. Generally, a part or a collection of parts is not automatically an assault weapon, even if those parts are for a specifically-banned fiream like an AR-15. As an example, any collection of AR-15 parts that does not include EVERY part required to build the firearm is not a "combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled." So, a typical "build kit" which includes every part except the stripped lower is not, per my understanding of the law, an assault weapon. Now, if you already own a stripped lower and then you buy a build kit, then voila you have yourself an assault weapon -- but that's from the buyer's perspective, not that of the person who sold the build kit.
b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.
Therefore, if we see ads for these particular parts, we will delete them.
No doubt our interpretation will evolve over time. If anyone who has read the law has thoughts, please feel free to share them.
So . . . any budding legal scholars out there? G4L?
What ever happened to leadcounsel? He was always so helpful.
Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:39 am
Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:25 pm