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ViniVidivici
Location: Puyallup Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 Posts: 3087
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Again, there are real solutions to these problems, and they don't involve letters, emails, or phone calls.
Nor are they to be discussed on the internet.
_________________ I'm a Morlock, in a land of Eloi...
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:16 am |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4841
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dreadi wrote: Old Growth wrote: dreadi wrote: scollins wrote: Old Growth wrote: Am I alone in thinking this is just plain common sense? Geez Yes, I think you are alone…. Tell us how you would implement the required surveillance and how much it would cost for one camera for two years if you had a gun shop. It’s not two years. It’s 90 days. "Recordings shall be maintained for a minimum of two years for all recordings of areas where firearms are displayed and points of sale, and for a minimum of 45 days for all recordings of interior views of exterior doors, windows, and any other entries or exits:" It was amended to be 90 days if I recall correctly. It goes back thru to be changed and then to the governor.
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:02 am |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4841
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:08 am |
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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8384
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:21 am |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18489
Real Name: Johnny 5
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Yes, bollards, locking guns in safes, etc is common sense.
Mandating security cameras that capture the face of every person doing a transaction, mandating that they be available to any gov't agent who asks for any or no reason, and mandating they be kept for ANY amount of time, is an issue.
For 'dinner table FFLs', that would mean putting a camera in their dining room, office, living room, etc.. anywhere a transaction might be taking place, AND require it be stored , AND be available to be watched at any time. You can get a knock on your door at 1800 as you're cooking dinner and the state can say 'we need all your videos', and they have TWO YEARS (or whatever the mandatory length is), of you and whomever else doing whatever you're doing INSIDE your own home.
It's not legal. It's not constitutional, and it's a pure invasion of privacy, even FOR brick and mortar FFLs.
Not only is it a violation of the 4th, but it's a violation of the 5th as well, as they're MANDATING that you record yourself, and provide evidence of, any illegal activities you may be doing.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:45 am |
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ViniVidivici
Location: Puyallup Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 Posts: 3087
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Exactly. I have always maintained that it seems nefarious to want to be recording the faces, and voices, of everybody in a gun store.
Information is neutral. It can be used for good, or evil.
How would one characterize our current sham of a state government?
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:28 pm |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4841
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dreadi wrote: Cool. How would you do it for 60 days? I dont need to. But it would be pretty easy for you to record the ONE bay of your garage that transactions take place in. The same garage that anyone could plow a kia into and clean you out.
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:37 pm |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4841
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Im done in here. I give give two shits about this law.
Its not worth my blood pressure. This ship is sinking. Anyone who does not see at and accept it is BLIND.
Stay here and turn into bitter old men bitching about the lawmakers and your shitty neighbors that will ALWAYS outvote you. Or move away. Thats the choices. (there is one other choice, but 90 percent of the bitchasses in this country are to worried about disrupting their comfortable lifestyle for that to EVER happen).
I dont agree with the audio recording. But fuck, the rest is simple security!!!
You all dont need a law to tell you to protect yourselves, but bitch about one that protects the goods.
Later!
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:42 pm |
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scollins
FFL / Dealer
Location: Renton Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 Posts: 16
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dreadi wrote: ]"Recordings shall be maintained for a minimum of two years for all recordings of areas where firearms are displayed and points of sale, and for a minimum of 45 days for all recordings of interior views of exterior doors, windows, and any other entries or exits:"
BLACK HAMMER ARMS
The House amended the bill to 2 years when they passed it, but the Senate amended it to 90 days in their session. It goes to "concurrence" now, so either the House accepts the Senate's amendment (90 days) or they push back and hold fast at 2 years. If that happens, the Senate can then pull its 90 day amendment, or refuse to adopt the House version. This last situation would be the best, since it means the bill dies.....
_________________ Scott Collins Owner, Hot Gates Armory FFL/SOT Renton WA
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:02 pm |
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scollins
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Location: Renton Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 Posts: 16
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That amendment was not adopted. The link even quite literally says "PULLED".....
_________________ Scott Collins Owner, Hot Gates Armory FFL/SOT Renton WA
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:05 pm |
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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8384
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Old Growth wrote: dreadi wrote: Cool. How would you do it for 60 days? I dont need to. But it would be pretty easy for you to record the ONE bay of your garage that transactions take place in. The same garage that anyone could plow a kia into and clean you out. Oh yeah? Ok. I see you. BLACK HAMMER ARMS 07/02 NFA Dealer http://www.blackhammerarms.comhttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:12 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18489
Real Name: Johnny 5
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It's not a garage. It's a tactical vehicle storage room.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:33 pm |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19480
Real Name: Rick
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Quote: "Recordings shall be maintained for a minimum of two years for all recordings of areas where firearms are displayed and points of sale, and for a minimum of 45 days for all recordings of interior views of exterior doors, windows, and any other entries or exits:" I'm not keeping up on this HB2118 but just in reading some of the bitching going on here I have a few questions. How does this stop the BG's that... stole a truck, used stolen license plates, wore gloves & hoods, drove backwards smashing into the store, ran in and stole everything they could and drove off before the cops got there???
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:35 pm |
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hkcavalier
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Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5497
Real Name: The Dude
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Arguing about the feng shui of the chairs and tables on the Titanic's upper deck once again.
They don't really prosecute the thieves or the criminals who use stolen guns, or if they do it's a slap on the wrist. This isn't to combat theft or go after the thieves. We all (should) know what this is really about.
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Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:51 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18489
Real Name: Johnny 5
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AR15L wrote: Quote: "Recordings shall be maintained for a minimum of two years for all recordings of areas where firearms are displayed and points of sale, and for a minimum of 45 days for all recordings of interior views of exterior doors, windows, and any other entries or exits:" I'm not keeping up on this HB2118 but just in reading some of the bitching going on here I have a few questions. How does this stop the BG's that... stole a truck, used stolen license plates, wore gloves & hoods, drove backwards smashing into the store, ran in and stole everything they could and drove off before the cops got there??? You think they want to stop gun thefts?
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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