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 BREAKING: Man killed trying to stop robbery in San Antonio 
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Man killed trying to stop robbery at Rolling Oaks Mall in San Antonio
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/breaking-shooting-at-rolling-oaks-mall

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A Good Samaritan was shot and killed trying to stop a robbery. Two armed men attempted to rob Kay Jewelers in Rolling Oaks Rolling Oaks Mall just after 3:30 Sunday.

An unarmed man attempted to stop the robbery and was shot and killed. A second man pulled out his concealed weapon and shot one of the suspects. The second suspect fled the scene, shooting as he ran. Their condition has not been released.


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Sometimes I just wish I had a book of face so I could post this.



Edit: Whoops, I thought this was cali for some reason. Nvm, nothing to see here.

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"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

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1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
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I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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Pretty gutsy and stupid to try to stop an armed robbery against two suspects while yourself unarmed.

Not something I'd attempt unless there was exigent circumstances. Jewelry store in mall likely is fast getaway style, not execution stuff. Catch phrase for the day: "Don't get rolled for the other guy's gold."

If I felt lives were in danger AND had my piece AND could take some high probability shots, with initiative, without risking lives, I might take them on. Otherwise my gun stays put unless it's life or death in general.

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His buddy had a gun, and shot one of the perps.

The moral of the story here is..."Even if you're armed, DON'T BE A HERO!" unless of course it's you or your family in immediate dangers.

Mall shooter? I'm running even with a gun unless they're pointing at me or my family. Foolish to do otherwise (Cops or another armed citizen could possibly confuse you for the shooter, etc. and YOU could end up being shot trying to be a hero)

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The moral of the story here is..."Even if you're armed, DON'T BE A HERO!" unless of course it's you or your family in immediate dangers.


That's not a moral that I'm willing to accept.

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The moral of the story here is..."Even if you're armed, DON'T BE A HERO!" unless of course it's you or your family in immediate dangers.


That's not a moral that I'm willing to accept.



I agree, we NEED heroes (sheep dogs), running from evil or putting our heads in the sand can only serve to embolden the wolves

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sportsdad60 wrote:
The moral of the story here is..."Even if you're armed, DON'T BE A HERO!" unless of course it's you or your family in immediate dangers.


That's not a moral that I'm willing to accept.


I agree, we NEED heroes (sheep dogs), running from evil or putting our heads in the sand can only serve to embolden the wolves


+1. I look at trying to defeat evil as a civic duty. It's not heroism; it is what makes a civilization.


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That sucks for the good guy, but please....don't bring a fist to a gunfight. I don't know the specifics of the incident, as in were the robbers brandishing firearms....taking hostages, etc., but approaching a robbery in progress without the advantage of being armed and without numerical superiority is somewhat foolish.

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MadPick wrote:
sportsdad60 wrote:
The moral of the story here is..."Even if you're armed, DON'T BE A HERO!" unless of course it's you or your family in immediate dangers.


That's not a moral that I'm willing to accept.


In regards to using deadly force, if you can avoid the lethal confrontation by breaking contact with your assailant and retreating to cover, you should, and in some areas of the country, you must. Numerous states have recently passed the “Stand Your Ground” law but as far as I know WA state does not have this law. If you choose to stand your ground, be sure that it appears sensible to a jury of your peers, and they would recognize your reason as rational and normal if they had the same information and were facing the same circumstances as you.

Be prepared for legal council and a date in court that my impact your freedom and financial responsibility.

We live in a state where the perps can easily be turned into "The victim" and attorneys that will make a hero into a vigilante in a heartbeat.

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