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Author: | elitejake [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Pin and weld Titanium break |
I have a TI break I need pined. Or I’ll have to fine a new one if I can’t get this one pinned I am in north snohomish county. Thanks Jake |
Author: | Unicorn [ Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Good luck. No gunsmith or shop is going to be set up for it as it's a somewhat complicated process. It's a LOT more difficult than a simple weld on steel with a steel pin. Maybe a small welding shop since it's not gunsmithing in the legal definition unless it's one of the guns that has the upper as the serialized "firearm." A couple articles on welding titanium show just how much is involved, https://www.millerwelds.com/resources/a ... -tube-pipe https://weldguru.com/titanium-welding/# ... 20Titanium? |
Author: | Kolat [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Unicorn wrote: Good luck. No gunsmith or shop is going to be set up for it as it's a somewhat complicated process. It's a LOT more difficult than a simple weld on steel with a steel pin. Maybe a small welding shop since it's not gunsmithing in the legal definition unless it's one of the guns that has the upper as the serialized "firearm." A couple articles on welding titanium show just how much is involved, https://www.millerwelds.com/resources/a ... -tube-pipe https://weldguru.com/titanium-welding/# ... 20Titanium? I'm confused that tig process is damn near the same as for tig anything else other than argon which most welders are gonna have anyways for stainless. Finding a suitable pin would the the hardest part. Or are there people out there doing a pin and weld with mig or smaw? |
Author: | Arisaka [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. |
Author: | Kolat [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Arisaka wrote: You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. No filler rod on a pin and weld how I do them, I use a 3/32 drill bit and cut the back side of the bit off, grind it to be about 1/32 high in the hole and then when I make a puddle it flattens out and into the muzzle device. |
Author: | Rottenryan [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
PM aent |
Author: | Arisaka [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. No filler rod on a pin and weld how I do them, I use a 3/32 drill bit and cut the back side of the bit off, grind it to be about 1/32 high in the hole and then when I make a puddle it flattens out and into the muzzle device. I can see how that would work with this geometry and application. But I would add that steel cannot be welded to titanium for any structural application. The fusion zone would be full of very brittle Ti-Fe intermetallics. |
Author: | RocketScott [ Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
JB weld the pin in |
Author: | Kolat [ Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Arisaka wrote: Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. No filler rod on a pin and weld how I do them, I use a 3/32 drill bit and cut the back side of the bit off, grind it to be about 1/32 high in the hole and then when I make a puddle it flattens out and into the muzzle device. I can see how that would work with this geometry and application. But I would add that steel cannot be welded to titanium for any structural application. The fusion zone would be full of very brittle Ti-Fe intermetallics. Yep that's why I said finding a suitable pin would be the hardest part, I wasn't advocating doing it with a steel bit as a pin. |
Author: | Old Growth [ Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. No filler rod on a pin and weld how I do them, I use a 3/32 drill bit and cut the back side of the bit off, grind it to be about 1/32 high in the hole and then when I make a puddle it flattens out and into the muzzle device. I can see how that would work with this geometry and application. But I would add that steel cannot be welded to titanium for any structural application. The fusion zone would be full of very brittle Ti-Fe intermetallics. Yep that's why I said finding a suitable pin would be the hardest part, I wasn't advocating doing it with a steel bit as a pin. I think Ray was eluding to using the tit filler ROD for pin material. Dont exclude silver soldering it as an option. Might be something to talk to a custom jewler about if your not up to the task yourself. |
Author: | Unicorn [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: Kolat wrote: Arisaka wrote: You can tig titanium outside an argon chamber, and even without back purging. You will definitely get some oxygen uptake, but this isn’t a fatigue critical application where embrittlement is a prime concern. Not sure what pin diameter is needed, but the first place to look for pin material is the titanium filler rod itself. No filler rod on a pin and weld how I do them, I use a 3/32 drill bit and cut the back side of the bit off, grind it to be about 1/32 high in the hole and then when I make a puddle it flattens out and into the muzzle device. I can see how that would work with this geometry and application. But I would add that steel cannot be welded to titanium for any structural application. The fusion zone would be full of very brittle Ti-Fe intermetallics. Yep that's why I said finding a suitable pin would be the hardest part, I wasn't advocating doing it with a steel bit as a pin. Could one use a steel pin and weld over it with titanium filler? Not welding the pin to the muzzle device, just have it completely covered over in ti? |
Author: | Arisaka [ Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
Don’t see how. Titanium melts at over 3000 F. Steel at 2750F. Getting things hot enough to melt titanium would also melt the steel pin. |
Author: | FullSendPrecision [ Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Pin and weld Titanium break |
we can do it here. we are a full service gunsmith and fab shop. I've pined and welded titanium suppressors to guns.. I use a titanium pin and tig weld with titanium rod over the pinned aria Full Send Precision Rifles contact Liam at 2067696376 for an appointment. we are a by appointment only shop close to 72nd and canyon in puyallup. we are a 07 ffl manufacturer and sot also a full service gunsmith shop. |
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