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Quiet, or powerful? (Suppressed 9mm vs unsuppressed 7.62x39)
Quiet, or powerful? (Suppressed 9mm vs unsuppressed 7.62x39)
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Site Supporter   Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18505 Real Name: Johnny 5 
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jukk0u wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: jukk0u wrote: Whats the OAL of those pistols, Ops? A hell of a lot more than 14" :D My GHB holds an AK pistol just fine and it's over 14". I'm going for short as possible. OAL on some of the MP5 SD variants is ~13.5" _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:55 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: South Seattle Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 Posts: 1034 Real Name: elwood
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I think the second post in this thread meets your requirments for 9mm suppressed. https://waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=70644
Downside lotso $$$ |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:10 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6229
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sinus211 wrote: Already threaded 5/8x24, shares mags with Glock 19 carry pistol. Very short. Relatively accurate with 16" barrel. No stamps required unless you want a can on it. Cheap. Reliable. Cheap hi cap mags.  I currently cannot bring myself to trust my life to any keltec product. May just be prejudiced. Mike, am I full of shit here? |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:20 am |
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Site Moderator   Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13518 Real Name: Mike
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Arisaka wrote: sinus211 wrote: Already threaded 5/8x24, shares mags with Glock 19 carry pistol. Very short. Relatively accurate with 16" barrel. No stamps required unless you want a can on it. Cheap. Reliable. Cheap hi cap mags. I currently cannot bring myself to trust my life to any keltec product. May just be prejudiced. Mike, am I full of shit here? I can't blame you due to some of their past products. This rifle has never given me a single problem though. I will say one thing though, for whatever reason the receiver extension slaps the shit out of your face while firing it. Not an issue in a self defense scenario but it's not a pleasant range gun. But, definitely reliable in my experience. _________________ Licensed/Bonded/Insured Hardwood Floor Installer/Finisher http://www.hardwoodfloorsnw.com/ |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:50 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4340 Real Name: Larry
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AR15L wrote: lamrith wrote: Whats the length on that folded up? Seems like those can be a bit hard to come by at times? Love my Keltec RDB so far. Sub2k might get a look if I ever stumble on one cheap. https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/sub-2000/ Unfortunately at work so cannot access any "weapon" websites at work so cannot look it up or I would have. _________________ Talons wrote: it's too plastic, even for me. it's like old, overworked, plastic everywhere old pornwhore amounts of plastic. |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:15 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Seattle Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 Posts: 765 Real Name: Erik
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Have you decided on supersonic or not yet? That's the big issue here.
If you are hitting targets down range, I don't personally think that going super is a big deal. In which case, rifles over pistols every day of the week. Pistol AK would be excellent. |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:23 am |
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Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52134 Real Name: Steve
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Ops wrote: MadPick wrote: Ops started it. Youre the cake eater, than said you visualized him covered in cake. Youre the sicko. get a room you two You're the one that mentioned fighting in the dessert. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:57 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18505 Real Name: Johnny 5
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PinSniper wrote: Have you decided on supersonic or not yet? That's the big issue here. If you are hitting targets down range, I don't personally think that going super is a big deal. In which case, rifles over pistols every day of the week. Pistol AK would be excellent. I'm thinking... Keep my AK pistol in the truck...it's not hurting anything.... get a better muzzle device to push sound away... 9mm subsonic, standardize with 147gr HST... Now, the question is.... What 9mm platform? AR pistol, MP5, or conversion kit.... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:11 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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Help me understand the scenario requirements. The bad guy is more than 100m away, and LV style sniping at multiple targets. You are concerned that he will be able to locate you, behind cover, because of noise from your rifle?
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| Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:21 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18505 Real Name: Johnny 5
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MadPick wrote: Ops wrote: MadPick wrote: Ops started it. Youre the cake eater, than said you visualized him covered in cake. Youre the sicko. get a room you two You're the one that mentioned fighting in the dessert. I don't think he's tracking.... lol _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:29 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18505 Real Name: Johnny 5
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quantsuff wrote: Help me understand the scenario requirements. The bad guy is more than 100m away, and LV style sniping at multiple targets. You are concerned that he will be able to locate you, behind cover, because of noise from your rifle? Scenario is I want something more than just my pistol to be with me. Something a little more stable and accurate. The LVNV scenario isn't really a concern, just a thought....Muzzle flash and reports are easy to zero in on, especially at night....That works both ways, but as pointed out, I should GTFO, not hanging out.... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
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Site Supporter Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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TechnoWeenie wrote: quantsuff wrote: Help me understand the scenario requirements. The bad guy is more than 100m away, and LV style sniping at multiple targets. You are concerned that he will be able to locate you, behind cover, because of noise from your rifle? Scenario is I want something more than just my pistol to be with me. Something a little more stable and accurate. The LVNV scenario isn't really a concern, just a thought....Muzzle flash and reports are easy to zero in on, especially at night....That works both ways, but as pointed out, I should GTFO, not hanging out.... I don't know about that. I'd guess that as a bad guy, not expecting armed resistance that is *not* LEO, I'd have a pretty hard time picking out muzzle flash from my targets. Your mileage may vary, and second kind of cool rules apply. |
| Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:41 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18505 Real Name: Johnny 5
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Second rule of cool always applies... haha... but 1st rule is still a factor.
It's primarily a GOOD/ICSH/BO/EDC gun... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
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Site Supporter Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4340 Real Name: Larry
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TechnoWeenie wrote: quantsuff wrote: Help me understand the scenario requirements. The bad guy is more than 100m away, and LV style sniping at multiple targets. You are concerned that he will be able to locate you, behind cover, because of noise from your rifle? Scenario is I want something more than just my pistol to be with me. Something a little more stable and accurate. The LVNV scenario isn't really a concern, just a thought....Muzzle flash and reports are easy to zero in on, especially at night....That works both ways, but as pointed out, I should GTFO, not hanging out.... While I do not claim they eliminate flash, I know from a recent range session that the difference in muzzle flash on a 223 sbr went from a HUGE daylight visible fireball, to no daylight visible fireball at all. It was honestly surprising how much the cans eat both in sound and sight. I would think that a 9mm sbr WITH can may be to the point it is not easily seen visually even at night. _________________ Talons wrote: it's too plastic, even for me. it's like old, overworked, plastic everywhere old pornwhore amounts of plastic. |
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Site Supporter Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6229
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sinus211 wrote: Arisaka wrote: sinus211 wrote: Already threaded 5/8x24, shares mags with Glock 19 carry pistol. Very short. Relatively accurate with 16" barrel. No stamps required unless you want a can on it. Cheap. Reliable. Cheap hi cap mags. I will say one thing though, for whatever reason the receiver extension slaps the shit out of your face while firing it. Not an issue in a self defense scenario but it's not a pleasant range gun. But, definitely reliable in my experience. I'm thinking you are probably used to having your face slapped!! Lol |
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