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 What happens if you cut one barrel to <18" on a multi barrel 
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Suppose you have a multi barrel gun, such as an under/over scattergun.

If you cut one barrel to less than 18" while leaving the other to over 18", does the nfa classification change?


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Yes, it does change the classification.

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Suppose you have a multi barrel gun, such as an under/over scattergun.

If you cut one barrel to less than 18" while leaving the other to over 18", does the nfa classification change?
Yes. It becomes a SBS, and those are not legal here.

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You guys that are saying that it changes the classification . . . what makes you say that?

You can have a short barrel with a permanent extension on it, like a pinned/welded muzzle brake. Don't you think a permanently attached second barrel that's 18"+ would count the same way?

I don't honestly know the answer to the question, but it's a good mental exercise.

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That would make it a SBS or SBR. Federal law is pretty clear on this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

18 U.S. Code § 921 wrote:
(5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
(6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.
(7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
(8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.


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Thanks for pointing that out guns4liberty!


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os2firefox wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out guns4liberty!

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Thanks for pointing that out guns4liberty!


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However ... let’s go back to my earlier post. We know that you can have a rifle with a short barrel and permanently attached muzzle device and still not have an SBR, so in applying this law they clearly look at more than just the barrel itself.

I still maintain that the same logic might apply here.

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os2firefox wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out guns4liberty!


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However ... let’s go back to my earlier post. We know that you can have a rifle with a short barrel and permanently attached muzzle device and still not have an SBR, so in applying this law they clearly look at more than just the barrel itself.

I still maintain that the same logic might apply here.

I see where you're going with that, Steve, but here's where I think it falls short. A permanently attached muzzle device is an integral extension of the short barrel in question; a separate 18"+ barrel that is neither an integral extension of the short barrel, nor permanently attached to it or the firearm, is not a logical substitute for a permanently attached muzzle device that brings the total barrel length to at least 18". That is my humble opinion, anyway.

I've had success bringing these kinds of oddball questions to ATF agents in the past and getting solid answers from them, so maybe I'll go through the exercise again.


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My assumption is that the two barrels are permanently attached to each other, as they are with double-barreled shotguns.

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MadPick wrote:
My assumption is that the two barrels are permanently attached to each other, as they are with double-barreled shotguns.

Yeah, I guess they would be pretty hard to separate. :rofl9:

I'm going to run this by my ATF contact - it'd be interesting to hear how they construct the argument against it, if there is one.


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