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 New Senate SBR bill 5956. Signed 4/2/14 Effective 6/12/14! 
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There is a new Senate SBR bill here; SB 5956 No text or sponsors yet though. This is a start though. At least we now have a bill number we can reference.

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And the battle begins, again. :cheers2:

Thank you for being a constant champion of this and similar causes!

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Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:27 am
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SB 5956 - 2013-14
New bill text here. It's just like the House bill.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5956.pdf

Here is a sample letter. Please do not directly copy it.

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Senator XXXXX,

I am writing to call your attention to Senate Bill 5956; a bill to ease restrictions on short barreled rifles (SBR). This bill is the Senate version of House Bill 1561 submitted by Representative Blake during the end of the 2011 session. House Judiciary Chairman Pedersen declined to give HB 1561 a hearing during the 2013 session due to the current political climate but indicated he would probably give a Senate SBR bill such as SB 5956 a hearing in the 2014 session if it reaches the House.

This bill has broad support. 14 of the 32 HB 1561 sponsors are Democrats and 7 of 13 members of the House Judiciary Committee are co-sponsors. WACOP’s is supporting the bill and the WASPC is taking a neutral position.

Short barreled rifles were unrestricted in Washington until passage of bill 2319-1994. The legislative intent of this bill did not give any reason why these firearms needed additional restrictions, but as of July 1, 1994 the only WA residents allowed to own SBR’s are those of us who were grandfathered in.

Judge Appelwick was a State Representative and one of the bill authors back in 1994. He was asked why the legislature needed to ban these firearms. He stated in part that; “We undertook a review of existing firearms regulations and attempted two things: a cleanup/update of the statutes and some modest additional regulations to dampen the cries for major restrictions.” and “In 1994 there was no objection to restrictions on short-barreled weapons like sawed off shotguns, and apparently there has not been any since. No one saw a purpose for them.” It appears that the only reason these firearms were banned was for some sort of feel good measure.

Public disclosure requests were submitted to each county in the State to determine what kinds of problems we have with these firearms. It appears that illegally possessed SBR’s are very rarely associated with any violent crime; at most a few were simply possessed in violation of RCW 9.41.190. There is no evidence that any registered, legally possessed SBR was ever used in a violent crime in our state. These firearms are every bit as suitable for use by sportsman and recreational shooters as their full sized counterparts. There is no rational reason for them to remain so restricted.

Our police will also benefit by passage of the bill. While police officers are allowed to possess SBR’s while on duty, they cannot purchase one for use as a duty firearm or train with them outside of a duty environment.

Federal law requires that an individual wanting to own an SBR obtain BATFE authorization prior to purchase and pay a $200 tax. House Bill 1561 would simply bring state law into line with federal law. Unregistered contraband SBR’s would remain illegal in Washington as they are everywhere else in the United States.

I would like to know if you have any reservations about these types of firearms. Would you be willing to co-sponsor the bill with Senator Hatfield? I would like to discuss this bill with you further if possible. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Respectfully,

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Thanks Ranb I will be contacting my reps in support of this bill.

No reason not to move on with SBR/SBS after allowing suppressors.


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Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:44 pm
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If you have never contacted your legislators before, this is how you do it.
Figure out which ones are yours. http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/

Send a real letter and back it up with an e-mail. There is an e-mail link on the Senator's homepage. Or you can use FirstName.LastName@leg.wa.gov to reach them directly

Once you get their attention they will most likely reply by e-mail. Save all of your e-mails to and from your Senators and Representatives. I have a sample letter above, use it to get ideas but also personalize it. Never say anything you can't prove. Always be polite even if they are not. Make sure to ask them to sponsor the bill, and if they already are, thank them for it. We have to convince these guys that SBR's will only be owned by the nicest people in town.

After they respond, ask them to sponsor the bill. If they don't, then ask to meet with them. Invite a friend to go with to meet them. If they refuse to meet, then ask them for a date and time to speak on the phone. These legislators are part-time politicians and most have day jobs. The district legislators in WA are much easier to talk to than the ones in Washington DC. If they don't want to sponsor, press them for a reason why.

Most of the time you will be dealing with their administrative aide. This is normal as the aide is the filter between the Senator and the voters.

When a hearing is scheduled, take time off from work or play to attend. We never had more than a dozen people show for the silencer use bills, we were very lucky that those attending did not oppose the bills. Anyone living within 50 miles of the Seattle/Tacoma area should have no trouble getting there to Olympia.

Keep in mind that while there are other forces at work (back room politics/deals) we need grass roots support. The NRA is offering no support as far as I know. Even the WAC offered no more than a letter to the committee for the silencer use bill. Whlie it is the bill priime sponsor that pushes or makes deals to get this bill a hearing, it is the voters that push their Senators to get on board as a co-sponsors. I turned Senator and Representatives in my district from a "I'll think about it" to actual co-sponsors with a simple meeting or phone call.

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With Pedersen taking Murray's place in the Senate the new House Judiciary Chair will be Laurie Jinkins. Jinkins

She co-sponsored the gun range protection bill during the 2013 session but also supported the background check bill. I did not see anything else outstanding on her sponsorship record. I sent her a letter asking to meet or speak to her about the SBR bill.

With Pedersen gone, it looks like we will have a chance to get HB 1561 a hearing in the House Judiciary Committee. Keep your fingers crossed. :)

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I spoke with Senator Padden's aide this morning and was told that SB5956 might not be scheduled for a hearing this year. I was told that with the short session there was a lack of time. Padden's aide recommended that we get the House bill passed. He seemed to be surprised when I told him that the House Judiciary Chair wants to see a Senate bill passed in the Senate and brought to the House instead of taking action on House Bill 1561. I've made it clear in my numerous letters/e-mails in the past to Senator Padden that the House is looking for a Senate bill and is not much interested in HB 1561.

I asked for some of Senator Padden's time for a meeting or telephone conversation but the aide would not make any kind of committment. I have two strikes against me whenever I call someone outside of district 35. I'm not one of their constituants and I only represent myself. I wish I could say that I represent the NRA or WAC, but they are not interested in the SBR/SBS issue. If I could find enough people to help with these unpopular bills we could form a collaition so we might have more influence.

Is there anyone currently near Olympia who is a 4th district (Spokane area) voter? A 4th district person is going to have more pull at getting a meeting or conversation. Thanks.

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Senator Padden’s office called me to say that the SBR bill (SB5956) will be scheduled for a hearing next week on Wednesday or Friday. It is very important that we have some sort of police presence at the hearing to support the bill. While an individual like myself can say “I believe this” or I believe that”, nothing beats a police officer who tells the committee members why the police need SBR’s.

I can give a ride to one or two people on the day of the hearings to Olympia. Please call me to set up a ride. I will be driving from Belfair.

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Cary Condotta is a childhood friend of mine. I sent him the following even though I am not in his district...

Cary
You need the same group that supported the suppressor group to help you with this.

Crime rate using an SBR is damn near zero. If the bad guys wanted an SBR all it takes is a hack saw and a file... Why punish the good guys?

Yes on SBR's!
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Ranb wrote:
Senator Padden’s office called me to say that the SBR bill (SB5956) will be scheduled for a hearing next week on Wednesday or Friday. It is very important that we have some sort of police presence at the hearing to support the bill. While an individual like myself can say “I believe this” or I believe that”, nothing beats a police officer who tells the committee members why the police need SBR’s.

I can give a ride to one or two people on the day of the hearings to Olympia. Please call me to set up a ride. I will be driving from Belfair.

Randy Bragge
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When will we know which day it's scheduled for?


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