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Old Bolt-Action Rifles -- Pics and Info!
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redstar
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My blank firing kids Japanese training rifle Arisaka Serial No 56: Type 38 Training Rifle
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Breech marking: “Izawa Type” - 井澤式 – I-Z(S)AWA – Izawa Firearms Manufacturing Company - 井澤銃砲製作所 – Izawa Juho Seisakusho, Owada, Kawachi District, Osaka City. 56 is rifle # in school Stock brand 本青校 and is an acronym for some youth school: 本 (hon or moto), 青 "youth"Attachment: 20190721_175130.jpg 31 on front of stockAttachment: 20190721_180214.jpg Attachment: 20190721_180235.jpg
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:57 pm |
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MadPick
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redstar wrote: My blank firing kids Japanese training rifle Okay, that's super cool.... Supposedly these aren't stong enough to shoot regular ammo, right? And yes, you could put a live round in there and pop it off. If you don't really know much about Arisakas (and how many people do, really...), it's pretty hard to tell the difference between a regular rifle and a training rifle. I wonder how many people have fired live rounds through them?
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:56 pm |
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redstar
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You are right. They are hard to spot as they are very good replicas for practice and operate exactly the same. The receivers aren't heat treated and the metal is poor quality. It will chamber a round and then explode. Easy ways to spot them though are this.. 1. No chrysanthemum = no military rifle = trainer. 2. They have 2 vent holes on the top. 3. They are often smooth bore. 4. The bolt has no lugs. And it feels like it made of soft steel. Remember arisakas are the final evolution of the mauser system and have 3 mauser bolt lugs. Here is the bolt for this rifle...zero lugs. So if you did fire a round that bolt is coming right back into your face. Attachment: 20190721_180230.jpg Thought you might like this, will keep digging my collection for fun bolt actions.
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:08 pm |
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MadPick
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redstar wrote: 3. They are often smooth bore. I have a friend who has one of these trainers. He let me borrow the gun for a few weeks (back when we could do those kinds of horrifying acts...) to try to figure out what the heck was. Man, I stared through that bore for a loooong time, trying to figure out if it was rifled or not. It was SHINY! Man, my eyes kept seeing rifling in there, but I finally concluded that it was a smoothbore. Good fun. redstar wrote: Thought you might like this, will keep digging my collection for fun bolt actions. Oh hell yes.
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:14 pm |
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redstar
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C.G. Haenel Suhl 1890-91: Karabiner 1888 Cavalry Carbine. The 1st smokeless powder carbine issued to Imperial German troops. 8mm Mauser. Have posted about the rifle and no one can explain the 91 restamp.
Haven't shot it yet because it's a .318 8 mm Mauser not a .323 Mauser and I don't have any bullets. Runs on a 5 round Mannlicher style clip.
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Matching numbers and original stock (repaired and refinished). Repro sling. Classic German approach of number everything including the matching screws in the action. Stock: 5357 on inside of stock. Imperial stamps on bottom and in buckle seat.
Receiver: Kar 88. S. spitzer bullet. 5357e Schilling crown stamps. Crown H. Barrel Shroud: 5257e
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Rear Band: 75. 15.H.2.18. 15th (Hannover) Hussars "Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands".
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Rear Sight: 57 Schilling on sight, Schilling on base. Front Sight: 47. Schilling crown. I think it is mis-stamp Bolt Catch: Schilling crown. Bolt Body: 5357e multiple places. Safety: 57 Schilling 2 places.
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:32 pm |
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MadPick
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Oooohhh yesss. Beautiful. Between the stock and that bolt handle, what's not to love?? I look forward to hearing more about this rifle.
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07 pm |
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redstar
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[b]Ok it's Friday night, time to dig to the back of the safe. This is my..Arisaka Type 38 : 6.5×50mm: Nagoya 27 Series approx late 1941 but maybe 1942 as the 26 series ended 1940. Serial #97131 near end of run 0-99,999. Between 1932 to 1942 Nagoya produced 312,500 units. Rifle is original: been there done that and shows it. No import marks, bought from a GI. Mum is intact: Matching numbers:Receiver, bayonet lug, bolt, safety etc. Attachment: 20190726_171545.jpg Attachment: Bayonet lug.jpg Attachment: 20190726_172016.jpg These type 38's don't have a monopod or AA sights but did come with a dustcover. Classic early type dustcover. Attachment: Dust cover.jpg Late model 38 cupped butt plate. Attachment: 20211112_182032_resized.jpg Speculative 2400 yard sights for a 6.5mm round traveling ~2200 fts Attachment: 20211112_182046_resized.jpg
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:30 pm |
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redstar
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The whole rifle and yes I have shot it. I'll have to come to a Waguns shoot and bring some of these one day.Attachment: 20211112_182025_resized.jpg
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:31 pm |
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MadPick
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Good Lord, that's nice. So many of the Arisakas have been defaced (mum) or sporterized in some way, and it's a real treat to see one in that condition.
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:21 pm |
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redstar
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Picked it up a couple of years ago....price seems a steal now..back of the safe also yielded a few (ehhh more than 5 is still a few isn't it) enfields...I'll start posting them next friday.
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:27 pm |
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Sinus211
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I don’t tend to have much of an appreciation for older rifles, but I know enough to know these are really special!
Impressive collection sir
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:17 pm |
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redstar
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Ok before the enfields better do the Type 38 carbine. Neither of mine are that good but they are shooter grade....lets me get some pics.
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:53 pm |
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redstar
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Japanese Type 38 Rifle and Carbine (plan on bringing both to NY shoot for people to try) 6.5mm Jap. Attachment: 20211121_175601_resized.jpg Attachment: 20211121_175620_resized.jpg Still has Mum.
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Nice knurled safety.
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It's an unremarkable non-matching rifle, but they aren't common. Nagoya arsenal 5 series, manufactured 1935 or so.[/b]
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:08 pm |
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MadPick
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Niiice. Is that an original sling with markings?
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:36 pm |
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redstar
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I wish.. repro..have original slings on my Gew98's, Enfields etc., but Japanese original slings run north of $200
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:03 pm |
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