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I would like to build a pistol like the one in the picture.
I would like to use the billet lower bought in Group buy, it was transferred to me as "OTHER".
What would I have to do to make this legal for me to build and have? -
I am having a unusual hard time finding laws (state and fed) on this.

sure would appreciate some information on this.

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Your good to go, as long as it wasn't transferred as RIFLE

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spikedzombies wrote:
Your good to go, as long as it wasn't transferred as RIFLE

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Virgin stripped receivers cannot be "rifles", used receivers could potentially be however. With a new unbuilt receiver, even if it was incorrectly marked on the 4473 it's still not a rifle, its an "other" until its assembled.

Just like a shoulder stocked 870 is not a "handgun" even if the 4473 says it is and the FFL even filled out the DOL pistol trasnfer form and mailed it in. It's still a shotgun as defined by Fed and State law. :thumbsup2:

As for the OP, buy a pistol buffer tube or modify a standard carbine buffer tube to mount the SB15 Sig brace on and purchase or build a 7.5"-11.5" barreled upper and assemble them. And you're good to go, as long as it doesnt have an ACTUAL stock on it.


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Build away . . . you're good to go.

Like NWRed said, just don't put a rifle stock on it.

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Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:37 pm
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Even if the receiver is stocked when you buy it, it is still an other, until it is a complete firearm.

So any lower can become a pistol, it is just never anything until it is complete and you dub it "rifle", "pistol", or "firearm".

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Is there a maximum overall length in WA? I am modding out a PAP M92 AK pistol and am going put a SB47 brace on it. With the brace I think it will exceed 26" but will still be only a 10" barrel. Need clarification if there are any WA statutes that govern this. I think I am good to go under federal law. Please advise.


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Nice gun Nitefire1.


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PeteXCzech wrote:
Is there a maximum overall length in WA? I am modding out a PAP M92 AK pistol and am going put a SB47 brace on it. With the brace I think it will exceed 26" but will still be only a 10" barrel. Need clarification if there are any WA statutes that govern this. I think I am good to go under federal law. Please advise.


No maximum oal


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Pistol's by State definition have a barrel of less than 16" or are designed to be fired with one hand.
With the sig brace on there you could put a 24" barrel on it and still be good.

Re: pistol/rifle/other
Pretty sure Thompson v US makes the use of any lower viable for use. It just has to be complete as that one designation at any given time. You can't use a pistol upper at the same time you use a lower configured as a rifle... As this would make an SBR.
Only hang up to this is if the lower is physically marked as a Pistol.

If you were to use a 16" barrel... It would never matter, as that would be legal in any configuration.

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MadPick wrote:
. . . just don't put a rifle stock on it.

Or a vertical foregrip.
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Don't worry, no stock or forward vertical hand grip. That was something I already knew, just needed to check on OAL. Not even sure I would put the Magpul Angled Fore Grip on it, as that is still considered legal.


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Newb question, but what if I buy a stripped lower in a private sale. What is that classified as? Can I do whatever I want with it, or does it matter what the original owner bought it as? Just curious. Thanks all.


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DocNugent wrote:
MadPick wrote:
. . . just don't put a rifle stock on it.

Or a vertical foregrip.
:cheers2:


It's legal to if the OAL is +26".

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Beer Hounds wrote:
Newb question, but what if I buy a stripped lower in a private sale. What is that classified as? Can I do whatever I want with it, or does it matter what the original owner bought it as? Just curious. Thanks all.


Whatever the previous owner barreled it as.

A lower is an other until it has a barreled action. Once you barrel it, it becomes whatever you made.

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