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nitefire1
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Location: Pierce County Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 Posts: 314
Real Name: Brian
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I would like to build a pistol like the one in the picture. I would like to use the billet lower bought in Group buy, it was transferred to me as "OTHER". What would I have to do to make this legal for me to build and have? - I am having a unusual hard time finding laws (state and fed) on this. sure would appreciate some information on this. TIA Brian
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spikedzombies
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Location: Lakewood, WA Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2012 Posts: 4056
Real Name: brad aka bubba
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Your good to go, as long as it wasn't transferred as RIFLE
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Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:58 pm |
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NWRed
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Location: Puyallup for now Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 Posts: 2099
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spikedzombies wrote: Your good to go, as long as it wasn't transferred as RIFLE
Sent from my GT-I9505G using Tapatalk Virgin stripped receivers cannot be "rifles", used receivers could potentially be however. With a new unbuilt receiver, even if it was incorrectly marked on the 4473 it's still not a rifle, its an "other" until its assembled. Just like a shoulder stocked 870 is not a "handgun" even if the 4473 says it is and the FFL even filled out the DOL pistol trasnfer form and mailed it in. It's still a shotgun as defined by Fed and State law. As for the OP, buy a pistol buffer tube or modify a standard carbine buffer tube to mount the SB15 Sig brace on and purchase or build a 7.5"-11.5" barreled upper and assemble them. And you're good to go, as long as it doesnt have an ACTUAL stock on it.
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Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:30 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52030
Real Name: Steve
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Build away . . . you're good to go.
Like NWRed said, just don't put a rifle stock on it.
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Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:37 pm |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578
Real Name: J
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Even if the receiver is stocked when you buy it, it is still an other, until it is a complete firearm.
So any lower can become a pistol, it is just never anything until it is complete and you dub it "rifle", "pistol", or "firearm".
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Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:48 pm |
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PeteXCzech
Location: Auburn, WA Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2014 Posts: 49
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Is there a maximum overall length in WA? I am modding out a PAP M92 AK pistol and am going put a SB47 brace on it. With the brace I think it will exceed 26" but will still be only a 10" barrel. Need clarification if there are any WA statutes that govern this. I think I am good to go under federal law. Please advise.
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:12 pm |
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PeteXCzech
Location: Auburn, WA Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2014 Posts: 49
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Nice gun Nitefire1.
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:14 pm |
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XDM9cWA
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Location: West Phoenix, AZ Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 Posts: 3909
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PeteXCzech wrote: Is there a maximum overall length in WA? I am modding out a PAP M92 AK pistol and am going put a SB47 brace on it. With the brace I think it will exceed 26" but will still be only a 10" barrel. Need clarification if there are any WA statutes that govern this. I think I am good to go under federal law. Please advise. No maximum oal
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:38 pm |
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H2obouget
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Location: Graham Joined: Sun Sep 4, 2011 Posts: 2222
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Pistol's by State definition have a barrel of less than 16" or are designed to be fired with one hand. With the sig brace on there you could put a 24" barrel on it and still be good.
Re: pistol/rifle/other Pretty sure Thompson v US makes the use of any lower viable for use. It just has to be complete as that one designation at any given time. You can't use a pistol upper at the same time you use a lower configured as a rifle... As this would make an SBR. Only hang up to this is if the lower is physically marked as a Pistol.
If you were to use a 16" barrel... It would never matter, as that would be legal in any configuration.
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:08 pm |
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5846
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MadPick wrote: . . . just don't put a rifle stock on it. Or a vertical foregrip.
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:08 pm |
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PeteXCzech
Location: Auburn, WA Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2014 Posts: 49
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Don't worry, no stock or forward vertical hand grip. That was something I already knew, just needed to check on OAL. Not even sure I would put the Magpul Angled Fore Grip on it, as that is still considered legal.
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:49 pm |
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Beer Hounds
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Location: Fort Towson, OK Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2013 Posts: 2161
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Newb question, but what if I buy a stripped lower in a private sale. What is that classified as? Can I do whatever I want with it, or does it matter what the original owner bought it as? Just curious. Thanks all.
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Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:11 am |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578
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DocNugent wrote: MadPick wrote: . . . just don't put a rifle stock on it. Or a vertical foregrip. It's legal to if the OAL is +26". Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
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Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:23 pm |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578
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Beer Hounds wrote: Newb question, but what if I buy a stripped lower in a private sale. What is that classified as? Can I do whatever I want with it, or does it matter what the original owner bought it as? Just curious. Thanks all. Whatever the previous owner barreled it as. A lower is an other until it has a barreled action. Once you barrel it, it becomes whatever you made. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
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