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WA bill 1588 - require background checks for all gun sales.
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twoclones
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 7:23 am Posts: 240 Location: Kennewick, WA
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 WA bill 1588 - require background checks for all gun sales.
WA Lawmakers introduce bill to require background checks for all gun sales Don't let apathy erode your Rights. Email your WA State Legislators telling them you Oppose House Bill 1588. Find your Legislator here.
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Massivedesign
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Link to actual bill: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary ... &year=2013Here is where I am confused. What is a licensed and unlicensed person? It later talks about dealers, so I am wondering if they are referring to (CPL) holders as being the "licensed" person. Which amounts to verifying that the person buying and selling has good guy cards? Quote: (2)(a) No unlicensed person may sell a firearm to another unlicensed person unless the purchaser has undergone a background check in accordance with the provisions of this subsection (2) and the purchaser is not ineligible to possess a firearm under state or federal 10 law. Edited to add... This section: Quote: (g) For the purposes of this subsection (2), "unlicensed person" means any person who is not licensed as a dealer under this chapter. Great.... So this will force FFL transactions, sales tax etc on all transfers. I wonder how the Sheriff's office is setup to handle these transactions?
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Buick_455
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Quote: H-0837.4 _____________________________________________
HOUSE BILL 1588
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2013 Regular Session
By Representatives Pedersen, Hope, Jinkins, Hansen, Freeman, Kagi, Walsh, Carlyle, Hunter, Clibborn, Ormsby, Cody, Green, Stanford, Orwall, Maxwell, Liias, Pettigrew, Tharinger, Springer, Hudgins, Wylie, and Moeller
1 AN ACT Relating to requiring universal background checks for 2 firearms transfers; amending RCW 9.41.080; creating a new section; and 3 prescribing penalties.
4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:
5 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. The legislature finds that there is broad
6 consensus that certain people, such as felons, minors, and
7 involuntarily committed persons, should not be eligible to possess
8 firearms for public safety reasons. Background checks are an effective
9 and easy mechanism to ensure that firearms are not sold to those who 10 are prohibited from possessing them. However, because background check 11 requirements apply only to transfers by licensed firearms dealers, many 12 firearms are currently sold without a background check, allowing felons 13 and other ineligible persons to gain access to them. The legislature 14 intends by this act to strengthen our background check system by 15 broadening the requirement for a background check to apply to all 16 firearms sales in the state.
17 Sec. 2. RCW 9.41.080 and 1994 sp.s. c 7 s 409 are each amended to 18 read as follows:
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(1) No person may deliver a firearm to any person whom he or she has reasonable cause to believe is ineligible under ((RCW 9.41.040)) state or federal law to possess a firearm. Any person violating this ((section)) subsection is guilty of a class C felony, punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW. (2)(a) No unlicensed person may sell a firearm to another unlicensed person unless the purchaser has undergone a background check in accordance with the provisions of this subsection (2) and the purchaser is not ineligible to possess a firearm under state or federal law.
(b) A seller of a firearm to an unlicensed person shall request a background check of the purchaser or transferee from a dealer or from the chief of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the seller or the purchaser resides. The background check shall include a check of the national criminal instant background check system. (c) The purchaser must complete an application to transfer a firearm. The application shall be provided to the dealer or the chief of police or sheriff conducting the background check. (d) The department of licensing shall create and make available an application to transfer a firearm for use by unlicensed persons engaged in the sale or purchase of a firearm. The application shall include the information required under RCW 9.41.090 for an application to purchase a pistol from a dealer, and any other information the department of licensing determines is appropriate. (e) A dealer or a chief of police or sheriff who conducts a background check for an unlicensed person under this subsection (2) must indicate on the application whether the purchaser is eligible or ineligible to possess a firearm under state and federal law based on the results of the background check. A dealer or a chief of police or sheriff may charge a fee for conducting the background check in an amount not to exceed twenty dollars, plus any charges imposed by the federal bureau of investigation. (f) A person who sells a firearm to an unlicensed person in violation of this subsection (2) is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW. (g) For the purposes of this subsection (2), "unlicensed person" means any person who is not licensed as a dealer under this chapter. HB1588 p.2
1 (h) This subsection (2) does not apply to the sale of an antique 2 firearm. 3 (i) This subsection (2) does not apply to, and is not intended to 4 alter the requirements of this chapter that apply to, the sale of a 5 firearm by a dealer licensed under this chapter.
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bhpdrew
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And exactly how will they implement this? Oh, guess they didn't think that through yet.
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Proflyer
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Done. Wrote all 3 a nice little note. I asked them to "Punish those who choose to bring evil to the innocent. Support those who choose to meet evil with like force, especially since they often protect the innocent who are unable to protect themselves."
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leitung
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Washington: "Universal Background Check" Legislation Must be Defeated
Unfortunately, the rumors of more attempts at gun control in Washington have proven true. House Bill 1588, "universal background check" legislation, was introduced today by state Representative Jamie Pederson (D-43), Mike Hope (R-44) and 21 other state Representatives. This bill has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee, where Representative Jamie Pederson is the chairman and Representative Mike Hope is a key Republican on this committee.
House Bill 1588 is the first step toward universal registration and clearly over-reaches and infringes on our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. This bill would create a massive regulatory scheme and a huge burden for law-abiding citizens. It also would require that anytime you sell any firearm to a family member or friend, you will have to go through a gun dealer or law enforcement agency and pay a $20 gun tax, with no guarantee of timely processing. Additionally, while Concealed Pistol License (CPL) holders are currently exempt from having to undergo a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer, there is no provision in this bill that extends the CPL exemption to private sales.
Washington currently has strong background check requirements in place. Furthermore, it is already a federal felony for any private person to sell, trade, give, lend, rent or transfer a gun to a person they know or should have known is not legally allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. It should be noted that every year, tens of thousands of people fail to pass the background checks required for firearm purchases, yet only a fraction are prosecuted for providing false information. Before lawmakers begin creating more onerous rules and regulations, they should start enforcing the laws that are currently on the books.
Those who urge passage of so-called “universal background checks” fail to grasp the fundamental truth that this will only affect law-abiding citizens and not criminals. Criminals do not obey the law in the first place. For more information on restrictions on private transfers, please click here.
The entire legislature needs to know how Washington feels regarding universal background checks. It is imperative that you contact your state Representative and state Senator TODAY and respectfully express your opposition to House Bill 1588. It is especially important for you to contact your state Representative if he or she serves on the House Judiciary Committee.
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Defossion
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I hope everyone realizes that this is Gun Registration, and at the rate this bill is gaining momentum, it will pass easily.
The apathy from the so-called "gun community" is sad. Gun owners, generally, would rather sit at home and hope that it all works out than dedicate even a few hours toward preserving their rights.
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DocNugent
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Defossion wrote: I hope everyone realizes that this is Gun Registration, and at the rate this bill is gaining momentum, it will pass easily.
The apathy from the so-called "gun community" is sad. Gun owners, generally, would rather sit at home and hope that it all works out than dedicate even a few hours toward preserving their rights. . . . by . . . (whatever your "few hours" plan is). 
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Massivedesign
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It's only a gun registration if it's a handgun in WA (Pistol Disposition form). For the rest, all it means is that NICS issued an approval or denial on your ability to purchase a firearm. They don't know if it's one, or 10.
Is there a record? Yes, and it resides at the FFL's business until he shuts down shop of something realllly bad happens. There are some stories floating around of ATF coming to FFL's and making copies of their bound books and 4473's... That's why I only use FFL's who know when the ATF is allowed to do such actions and will tell them to stuff it otherwise.
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Kgbsucka
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The whole point is that it's unenforceable WITHOUT registration. So there's probably some hidden bs im there that allows a registry for "enforcement " which is just one step closer to confiscation. So yes, this is bad.no matter how you slice it.
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SIG556
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Kgbsucka wrote: The whole point is that it's unenforceable WITHOUT registration. So there's probably some hidden bs im there that allows a registry for "enforcement " which is just one step closer to confiscation. So yes, this is bad.no matter how you slice it. ^^THIS! How will they prove I went through the process when selling my pistol / rifle if there is no serial number recording? When the cops find a gun and want to know if it was legally transferred, they will have to check the serial number, right? THERE'S your "registration"! Fuck this mess!
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Motivated
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I spoke with Mike Hope(R)'s office the other morning to voice my disappointment that he's supporting this legislation. His staff person pretty much blew me off. As of 2/3/2013 Mike Hope continues to sponsor this bill.
I also emailed John Carlson of KVI 570AM. On his show yesterday, he mentioned the bill and he's attempting to get Mike Hope on the air to discuss.
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Motivated
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John Carlson had WA state rep. Mike Hope(R-WA) and David Workman from the Second Amendment Foundation on the air this morning (570 KVI) for a discussion on this bill. To say the least, I was not impressed with all three people. Workman was the most uninformed person I've ever heard, not only on this legislation but, gun rights in general.
Carlson didn't ask Hope why the NRA is adamantly against this bill. Bottom line, say hello to gun registration unless Hope changes his mind.
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SIG556
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Motivated wrote: Workman was the most uninformed person I've ever heard, not only on this legislation but, gun rights in general. You obviously haven't heard him much then. I listened to the show too. Dave said he hadn't had a chance to fully read through the bill yet. You jump to the conclusion that means he's uninformed on everything?
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deadshot2
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If there is no hope of defeating this bill as written then push for an amendment that prohibits any record keeping that would resemble "registration".
As for the need to have a serial number, not really. Just proof that a background check was performed. If the LEO who's checking status "runs" the person they'll see if that party's "status" has changed since the purchase. Does it really matter which weapon? Felons can't have ANY weapon and non-felons can HAVE any weapon.
I would expect, for the sake of expediency, a system similar to the ones used elsewhere. A system of what might best be described as a "permission slip" or firearms ownership ID card that can be presented for the purchase of any legal firearm from anyone.
Can you imagine the line outside a PD or Sheriff's Office, waiting to get a private sale or two approved. Wonder if FFL's will be limited in the fee they can charge?
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