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A right delayed is a right denied.

And yes, if you increase the maximum time limit, there are bureaucrats who will take it upon themselves to reach that maximum.

We all know waiting periods don't work - they are a form of social engineering.

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Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:13 am
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RENCORP wrote:
Explain that shit, willya ?

It is fucking retarded.


Summed up nicely. You just explained it.


Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:19 am
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Through this entire 591/594 mess, this question has been at the forefront of my mind. Why do we need background checks in a free society?

If someone is really such a threat that we're concerned about what they might do with a gun, why aren't they still in jail?


For 1), given the rate at which felons re-offend (anecdotally anyhow, I don't have data), I think it should be illegal for them to own guns. It's no different than telling a released child molester that he can't be near children.


Right, which brings me back to one of my other points... is it worth punishing those that don't reoffend? Especially if those that do can get a gun anyway.

The tool doesn't make the crime.


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So who often has to wait 7-10 days? I can't remember having a background check go more than overnight, even with a delay.


Well, it's not all about you!

A good friend of mine used to have secret clearance and now he doesn't (doesn't need it anymore). Apparently that means he waits 1-2 weeks to buy even a rifle. I've heard this happens to a good number of people for various stupid reasons.

But hey, as long as you you don't have to wait, what's the problem, right?

Anyone that can't be trusted with a gun shouldn't be on the streets.


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ANZAC wrote:
So who often has to wait 7-10 days? I can't remember having a background check go more than overnight, even with a delay.


Well, it's not all about you!

A good friend of mine used to have secret clearance and now he doesn't (doesn't need it anymore). Apparently that means he waits 1-2 weeks to buy even a rifle. I've heard this happens to a good number of people for various stupid reasons.

But hey, as long as you you don't have to wait, what's the problem, right?

Anyone that can't be trusted with a gun shouldn't be on the streets.


But if it saves the life of just one child!!!!

Seriously though some people don't give a shit cause "it doesn't affect them". May as well just take my rights now. The way so many are willing to just give them up wonder how long it will be before they beging to take from those unwilling to surrender those rights... Oh wait a second

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Why is there no waiting period for the first amendment?

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Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:18 pm
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The RKBA is a God given, Constitutional right, no different than free speech or the right to petition the Government.

We don't need permission to engage in other rights, why is this one different?

Crime has been with us since we created society, writing more and more laws has done NOTHING to change that

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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
The RKBA is a God given, Constitutional right, no different than free speech or the right to petition the Government.

We don't need permission to engage in other rights, why is this one different?

Crime has been with us since we created society, writing more and more laws has done NOTHING to change that


Do you believe that everyone who's not in prison should be able to own a gun, then? Young, old? Ex-felon, ex-child molester? Mentally ill?

It's a serious question. Would you draw the legal line anywhere?

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MadPick wrote:
TINCANBANDIT wrote:
The RKBA is a God given, Constitutional right, no different than free speech or the right to petition the Government.

We don't need permission to engage in other rights, why is this one different?

Crime has been with us since we created society, writing more and more laws has done NOTHING to change that


Do you believe that everyone who's not in prison should be able to own a gun, then? Young, old? Ex-felon, ex-child molester? Mentally ill?

It's a serious question. Would you draw the legal line anywhere?



no, but we shouldn't limit the rights of others in the attempt to keep them disarmed. The reality is: If they are not incarcerated, they can get their hands on weapons one way or another. We need to lock up the violent people and keep them locked up.

I know someone will pipe up with an argument that keeping people locked up costs money....it doesn't. It saves us money, less trials, less lawyers, less court costs, less investigations, less police, security , insurance, crime taxes, etc....

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Old/yes
Young/yes
Ex-felon/yes
Child molester/kill them
Mentally ill/case by case(by mentally ill I assume you mean anyone that would vote for 594)

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ironworker78 wrote:
Old/yes
Young/yes
Ex-felon/yes
Child molester/kill them
Mentally ill/case by case(by mentally ill I assume you mean anyone that would vote for 594)


Yep.


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Got green card, got CPL.

I GET DELAYED EVERY FUCKING PURCHASE, LONG GUN OR HAND GUN !!!!!!


Your NCIC record will have a federal file number in the city where you got your permanent green card & finger prints.

It is my understanding it requires a little extra time to review that each time.
You would think it would be obvious because you have an Alien number, but....that's how it works.


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MadPick wrote:
TINCANBANDIT wrote:
The RKBA is a God given, Constitutional right, no different than free speech or the right to petition the Government.

We don't need permission to engage in other rights, why is this one different?

Crime has been with us since we created society, writing more and more laws has done NOTHING to change that


Do you believe that everyone who's not in prison should be able to own a gun, then? Young, old? Ex-felon, ex-child molester? Mentally ill?

It's a serious question. Would you draw the legal line anywhere?


That's the thing, the whole no guns for felons is a relatively new thing, back In the day any "bad guy" who deserved it got a short drop and a sudden stop. If we still imposed punishment like that we would have very few repeat offenders.

And what do you mean by mentally ill, because people who take meds for depression would fall under this if some people had their way, also included would be those with PTSD, veterans, medics, emts, cops and other first responders

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I get delayed every time as well. No green card, no felonies, and a very uncommon name. I consider it an infringement on my rights. It's BS to put it lightly.


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I get delayed every time as well. No green card, no felonies, and a very uncommon name.


They probably assume that you're related to Malcolm, and that triggers further investigation.

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