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Things other than guns that are defined as a "firearm"
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cycle61
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Location: Orting Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1359
Real Name: Nick
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RCW 9.41.010 provides definitions for many of the commonly used terms in the firearms laws of the state. Section (9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder."
Ramset and other powder-actuated fastening tools. (there are cases of these being used as a weapon) Roman Candles. Party poppers. Saturn Batteries. Marine safety flare guns (Orion, etc) WSP has already determined in a previous case that these are considered firearms. The WSDOT's artillery that they use for avalanche control.
So...Letter of the law. What FFL should I go to when I need to buy a Ramset tool? Will WalMart move all their flare guns behind the gun counter and require a BGC to purchase them? If I buy New Years' fireworks on the reservation, am I now a felon? Does avalance control now fall under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, since the DOT is not allowed to use their own tools?
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19486
Real Name: Rick
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Stop giving the libtards ideas.
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Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:01 pm |
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cycle61
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Location: Orting Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1359
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I'm going to print a copy of 594, highlight the appropriate sections, go to Home Depot on December 4th, buy a Ramset tool and a box of .27 charges, call the cops, and sell them back and forth in the parking lot until we get arrested. Quote: (25) "Transfer" means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.
Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW to read as follows: All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.
Quote: A law with intelligence, common sense and reasonableness written into it can be applied as written with reasonable results. This law cannot because the authors were either incapable of writing a reasonable law or just chose not to and they sold it with their million dollar TV ads and glossy mailers.
The answer to bad law is not police discretion in enforcing the law or selective prosecution. But now that is what the supporters of this law want us to put our faith in.
_________________Massivedesign wrote: There is no such thing as 5.56 55gr..
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Captain90s
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Location: Olympia Joined: Wed Feb 6, 2013 Posts: 5365
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cycle61 wrote: I'm going to print a copy of 594, highlight the appropriate sections, go to Home Depot on December 4th, buy a Ramset tool and a box of .27 charges, call the cops, and sell them back and forth in the parking lot until we get arrested. Quote: (25) "Transfer" means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.
Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW to read as follows: All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.
Quote: A law with intelligence, common sense and reasonableness written into it can be applied as written with reasonable results. This law cannot because the authors were either incapable of writing a reasonable law or just chose not to and they sold it with their million dollar TV ads and glossy mailers.
The answer to bad law is not police discretion in enforcing the law or selective prosecution. But now that is what the supporters of this law want us to put our faith in. Video of this is requested and required So that I can overlay the Benny Hill theme and play it at 8x speed
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Sissyboy
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Location: Seattle Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 Posts: 4469
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cycle61 wrote: I'm going to print a copy of 594, highlight the appropriate sections, go to Home Depot on December 4th, buy a Ramset tool and a box of .27 charges, call the cops, and sell them back and forth in the parking lot until we get arrested. Quote: (25) "Transfer" means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.
Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW to read as follows: All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.
Quote: A law with intelligence, common sense and reasonableness written into it can be applied as written with reasonable results. This law cannot because the authors were either incapable of writing a reasonable law or just chose not to and they sold it with their million dollar TV ads and glossy mailers.
The answer to bad law is not police discretion in enforcing the law or selective prosecution. But now that is what the supporters of this law want us to put our faith in. You're doing it all wrong. When you call the cops you need to show them the tool and the person that sold it to you. Then DEMAND that they are charged. This will get Home Depot to foot the bill for the legal costs to fight 594 without them even realizing it.
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Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:20 pm |
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cycle61
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Location: Orting Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1359
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Sissyboy wrote: You're doing it all wrong. When you call the cops you need to show them the tool and the person that sold it to you. Then DEMAND that they are charged. This will get Home Depot to foot the bill for the legal costs to fight 594 without them even realizing it. I like the way you think. Although, in fairness I should contact the manager of the store first, and let them know that these items are about to become illegal to sell without an FFL.
_________________Massivedesign wrote: There is no such thing as 5.56 55gr..
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Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:44 pm |
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O_Kellogg
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Location: Yelm Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 Posts: 1403
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Or you could STF- Oh, nevermind. It's out there now. Between WaGuns and and several other sites, all the best toys are gonna be regulated now. Thanks! OK
_________________Massivedesign wrote: ...I'll whip it out at a stop light and play with it. The problem is, the light turns green too fast but I'm not done, so I'll keep on playing.... Massivedesign wrote: Owen, grab mine please!! I’ll speak for chris. Grab his too! MadPick wrote: I also get serviced by Massivedesign.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:12 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38320
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There is a thread regarding some points over on OCDO: One person wrote to Home Depot to tell them about 594 and about the .22 blank nail guns. This was their reply: Quote: Dear Whitney Slater,
Thank you for your response. From the reply I got back from the Legislative Information Center, it seems that these nail guns will be affected if they are powder actuated tools. Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. As I mentioned previously, I have already shared your concerns with our Government Relations Team. If there is anything else I may help you with, please do not hesitate to reply to this email or contact me directly. Have a great day and thank you for contacting The Home Depot!
Sincerely,
Karen Cortés
Resolution Expediter 2455 Paces Ferry Road Atlanta, GA 30339 Phone: 770-433-8211 or 1-800-654-0688 Ext: 77519 Fax: 678-556-7614
In my absence, please contact Shamar Jackson at ext 76070.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:24 am |
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DGM33
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What about black powder guns? I was under the impression that they weren't as regulated as normal firearms, but will they be now?
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:31 am |
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cycle61
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Location: Orting Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1359
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Good thread over there, thanks.
_________________Massivedesign wrote: There is no such thing as 5.56 55gr..
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:39 am |
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O_Kellogg
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Location: Yelm Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 Posts: 1403
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DGM33 wrote: What about black powder guns? I was under the impression that they weren't as regulated as normal firearms, but will they be now? Right!! Just like "assault weapons bans don't affect my skeet shootin', so I don't care". Again: THEY ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS, and anything else you might be able to use! OK
_________________Massivedesign wrote: ...I'll whip it out at a stop light and play with it. The problem is, the light turns green too fast but I'm not done, so I'll keep on playing.... Massivedesign wrote: Owen, grab mine please!! I’ll speak for chris. Grab his too! MadPick wrote: I also get serviced by Massivedesign.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:42 am |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52121
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DGM33 wrote: What about black powder guns? I was under the impression that they weren't as regulated as normal firearms, but will they be now? 594 doesn't affect "antique firearms," and they are defined as: 594 BS wrote: (1) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. That language is fucking confusing . . . but I think it means that a replica of a pre-1899 black powder gun is exempted. Who knows what "replica" means, but I would hope that the typical percussion and flintlock guns are close enough. Now how about a modern black powder guns like the ones below? The best I can tell, those are subject to 594-esque background checks: Does anyone see something different?
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:43 am |
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O_Kellogg
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Location: Yelm Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 Posts: 1403
Real Name: Owen
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MadPick wrote: 594 BS wrote: ... for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. That language is fucking confusing . . . But not intentionally deceptive [/sarcasm] Quote: Does anyone see something different? Um, yeah. I don't look for it, 'cause it's not my game, but isn't black powder still out there? Through "normal channels"? And you can't say sinkers are hard to find in a state that Fishes like Washington. All you really need is the right raw materials, a couple good machines, and the know-how and you're building and shooting black powder... or anything else, really. Gerry Spence wrote: "The function of the law is not to provide justice or to preserve freedom. The function of the law is to keep those who hold power, in power."
Again, I don't care what you shoot - in fact, I encourage all and I really enjoy seeing variety of styles, forms and hardware - But we (Americans) have to get over this "Not My Problem" mentality. We're all in this. My rights have been infringed enough. How 'bout yours? OK
_________________Massivedesign wrote: ...I'll whip it out at a stop light and play with it. The problem is, the light turns green too fast but I'm not done, so I'll keep on playing.... Massivedesign wrote: Owen, grab mine please!! I’ll speak for chris. Grab his too! MadPick wrote: I also get serviced by Massivedesign.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:22 am |
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kf7mjf
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Location: Olympia Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 Posts: 16044
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This is freaking hilarious, because 594 is about to cause trouble in the construction trades now too. Hell, any projectile signal flare is suddenly gonna be impossible to transfer. You really think the ATF is going to want to be bothered by a background check on a handheld flare?
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:23 am |
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kf7mjf
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Location: Olympia Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 Posts: 16044
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The ammunition no longer manufactured... refers to cartridge arms.
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"...steam, artillery and revolvers give to civilized man an irresistible power." -Perry Collins
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