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Author:  Seattle [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:55 pm ]
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Author:  H2obouget [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

Range - No
Pit - yes I594 would make the handing of your gun to him/her a Gross mis the first time you did it, and a Felony the second time.

Author:  BadKarma [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

I take people all the time to the range that are not from the US.

Author:  ANZAC [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

All you need to know is here:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.171

They either need to be a permanent resident, have an alien firearm license, or a hunting license etc. (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175)

So, someone fresh off the boat, them having a gun to shoot anywhere is illegal unless covered under one of the options under .175

But I believe they are the ones who are committing a crime, not the person giving them a gun.

Author:  BadKarma [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

ANZAC wrote:
All you need to know is here:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.171

They either need to be a permanent resident, have an alien firearm license, or a hunting license etc. (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175)

So, someone fresh off the boat, them having a gun to shoot anywhere is illegal unless covered under one of the options under .175

But I believe they are the ones who are committing a crime, not the person giving them a gun.

WCA and Wades let foreigners shoot all the time. Hell, i did a team building event with a bunch of folks from Sweden. Were everyone one of them breaking the law?

Author:  RENCORP [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

Yep, lawbreakers. Swack them all alongside the head with a lutefisk lawbreaker paddle.

Followed by 100 hours of Anzac bull horn delivered indoctrination into the intricacies of 594 just for good measure.

Author:  kf7mjf [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

594 cures cancer. Why do you hate it?

Author:  ANZAC [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

BadKarma wrote:
ANZAC wrote:
All you need to know is here:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.171

They either need to be a permanent resident, have an alien firearm license, or a hunting license etc. (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175)

So, someone fresh off the boat, them having a gun to shoot anywhere is illegal unless covered under one of the options under .175

But I believe they are the ones who are committing a crime, not the person giving them a gun.

WCA and Wades let foreigners shoot all the time. Hell, i did a team building event with a bunch of folks from Sweden. Were everyone one of them breaking the law?


I don't know if they were permanent residents, had hunting permits or alien firearm licenses or whatever. The law is pretty self explanatory.

I would also add, pre 594, the person giving them the gun may not have any issues, but post 594, given that they are prohibited persons (they could not go buy a gun) some of the exemptions under 594 may not apply. (I didn't go back and look at it)

Author:  MadPick [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

BadKarma wrote:
ANZAC wrote:
All you need to know is here:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.171

They either need to be a permanent resident, have an alien firearm license, or a hunting license etc. (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175)

So, someone fresh off the boat, them having a gun to shoot anywhere is illegal unless covered under one of the options under .175

But I believe they are the ones who are committing a crime, not the person giving them a gun.

WCA and Wades let foreigners shoot all the time. Hell, i did a team building event with a bunch of folks from Sweden. Were everyone one of them breaking the law?


Yup, that was my first thought too . . . I can't count the number of foreign tourists I've seen in Wades, and I remember going with some Japanese coworkers some years back.

This is strange.

Author:  oldkim [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175

Quote:
(1) A nonimmigrant alien, who is not a resident of Washington or a citizen of Canada, may carry or possess any firearm without having first obtained an alien firearm license if the nonimmigrant alien possesses:

(a) A valid passport and visa showing he or she is in the country legally;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.

(2) A citizen of Canada may carry or possess any firearm so long as he or she possesses:

(a) Valid documentation as required for entry into the United States;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.



So the best way is for you to take that Legal visitor to a gun range and have them rent a firearm to shoot... with their valid passport from their country as ID.

It's also best for you to pay the rental fee so you can handle the firearm between you and the visitor (both from a legal and range perspective). Ranges don't like for non paying rental firearms to be handled by someone that isn't paying (renting).

Author:  ANZAC [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

oldkim wrote:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175

Quote:
(1) A nonimmigrant alien, who is not a resident of Washington or a citizen of Canada, may carry or possess any firearm without having first obtained an alien firearm license if the nonimmigrant alien possesses:

(a) A valid passport and visa showing he or she is in the country legally;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.

(2) A citizen of Canada may carry or possess any firearm so long as he or she possesses:

(a) Valid documentation as required for entry into the United States;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.



So the best way is for you to take that Legal visitor to a gun range and have them rent a firearm to shoot... with their valid passport from their country as ID.

It's also best for you to pay the rental fee so you can handle the firearm between you and the visitor (both from a legal and range perspective). Ranges don't like for non paying rental firearms to be handled by someone that isn't paying (renting).


You misread it. That is ONE thing you need. I highlighted the important word "and".

You need
(a) valid passport etc AND
(b) ATF stuff if importing and applicable AND
(c) a hunting license, OR an invitation to compete in a trade show or shooting event etc.

Author:  K&E ARMS [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

ANZAC wrote:
oldkim wrote:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.175

Quote:
(1) A nonimmigrant alien, who is not a resident of Washington or a citizen of Canada, may carry or possess any firearm without having first obtained an alien firearm license if the nonimmigrant alien possesses:

(a) A valid passport and visa showing he or she is in the country legally;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.

(2) A citizen of Canada may carry or possess any firearm so long as he or she possesses:

(a) Valid documentation as required for entry into the United States;

(b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

(c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

(ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.



So the best way is for you to take that Legal visitor to a gun range and have them rent a firearm to shoot... with their valid passport from their country as ID.

It's also best for you to pay the rental fee so you can handle the firearm between you and the visitor (both from a legal and range perspective). Ranges don't like for non paying rental firearms to be handled by someone that isn't paying (renting).


You misread it. That is ONE thing you need. I highlighted the important word "and".

You need
(a) valid passport etc AND
(b) ATF stuff if importing and applicable AND
(c) a hunting license, OR an invitation to compete in a trade show or shooting event etc.

Let just make it so non US citizens cannot possess guns, does that make sense as a deterrent to terrorist activity?

sent from my apple pet

Author:  ANZAC [ Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

K&E ARMS wrote:
Let just make it so non US citizens cannot possess guns, does that make sense as a deterrent to terrorist activity?


I thought the training camps were up in BC? But seriously, al qaeda and the flight simulators....

I have never ever taken for granted my ability as a non-citizen to own guns.
However, they always have the option of deporting me at any time.

The bill of rights applies to everyone in the country. Even if you're an illegal, you have 5th, 1st, 4th, etc. amendment rights.
But you'll also see they are somewhat reduced in places (the RCW is a good example, it reduces the 2nd amendment rights of non-immigrant aliens).

Of course the second amendment does say "persons" (everyone in the US) or "citizens", it says "people":
Read more here: http://www.nyulawreview.org/sites/defau ... ekaram.pdf

Author:  deadshot2 [ Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

RENCORP wrote:
Yep, lawbreakers. Swack them all alongside the head with a lutefisk lawbreaker paddle.

Followed by 100 hours of Anzac bull horn delivered indoctrination into the intricacies of 594 just for good measure.



I'd wager that the Supreme's would rule either one of those punishments cruel and unusual. Even worse if you made them eat the lutefisk. Of course once they've eaten it they could have a defense against ANZAC. Just blow the fish breath back at him.

Author:  StatlerandWaldorf [ Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Can I take a Foreigner shooting in Washington State?

Oops, standard operating procedure for me to take foreign visitors shooting out at a pit under my direct supervision. Interesting.

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