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Chicago needs a champion in the fight against guns
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Site Supporter   Location: Kansas City Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 Posts: 2790 Real Name: Brad 
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What a great article highlighting the mentality behind gun control.
"When the five men running to be mayor of Chicago sat down Friday with the Chicago Sun-Times Editorial Board, they were at times eloquent in describing the social roots, such as a dearth of jobs and inadequate schools, of Chicago’s gun violence. But they often left us wondering just how serious they would be about getting rid of illegal guns." http://chicago.suntimes.com/editorials-opinion/7/71/339031/mayor-race-highlight-forceful-opposition-illegal-guns |
| Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:39 am |
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Site Admin   Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38324 Real Name: Dan
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Oprah, 2015...
The biggest question is one that has never been asked.. How do you control the uncontrollable? |
| Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:50 am |
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 Site Supporter  Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15242 Real Name: chris
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Phoenix Jones could do it
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| Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:58 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Bothell Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2014 Posts: 654 Real Name: Tom
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"As the other four mayoral candidates pointed out Friday, stiffer sentences for possession of an illegal gun — even if the offender committed no other crime — would likely disproportionately affect members of racial minorities."
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| Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:11 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland, Everett, Lynnwood at various times Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2014 Posts: 1668
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Oh yeah, all those evil NRA nuts from other states are supplying criminals with guns. Not our problem at all. If only all states had the same laws we did, everything would be great and criminals would turn themselves in before buying an illegal gun!!
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| Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:23 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17839 Real Name: Chuck
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I know some of you will nit-pick over semantics. There really is no thing as an illegal gun. Only people possessing, or using a gun in an illegal manner. An inanimate object cannot do anything illegal.
_________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux |
| Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:29 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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golddigger14s wrote: I know some of you will nit-pick over semantics. There really is no thing as an illegal gun. Only people possessing, or using a gun in an illegal manner. An inanimate object cannot do anything illegal. There are plenty of guns that are illegal to possess. NFA items without NFA paperwork, stolen guns, etc. But I agree with you in principle. The possession is what is illegal. By itself the gun isn't. (edit) also, it is not the "guns possessed illegally" that we need to get off the streets, it is the people who are committing the crimes by possessing thing. Taking a gun and turning it into a peace brick won't stop that person from stealing another one. |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:54 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Spokane Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 Posts: 9653 Real Name: Hans Edlefreth III.
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ANZAC wrote: (edit) also, it is not the "guns possessed illegally" that we need to get off the streets, it is the people who are committing the crimes by possessing thing. Taking a gun and turning it into a peace brick won't stop that person from stealing another one. Which is exactly why 594 is worthless. _________________ -A cowardly man thinks he will ever live, if warfare he avoids; but old age will give him no peace, though spears may spare him. "For I have always lived violently, drunk hugely, eaten too much or not at all, slept around the clock or missed two nights of sleeping, worked too hard and too long in glory, or slobbed for a time in utter laziness. I’ve lifted, pulled, chopped, climbed, made love with joy and taken my hangovers as a consequence, not as a punishment." -- John Steinbeck "Experience is one thing you can't get for nothing." -- Oscar Wilde "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one." -- Marcus Aurelius "Now I'm off to check out Drew's dick." -- MadPick |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:15 am |
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Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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bhpdrew wrote: ANZAC wrote: (edit) also, it is not the "guns possessed illegally" that we need to get off the streets, it is the people who are committing the crimes by possessing thing. Taking a gun and turning it into a peace brick won't stop that person from stealing another one. Which is exactly why 594 is worthless. I disagree. People should be prohibited or prosecuted for knowingly or unknowingly supplying guns to prohibited persons. It is another aspect of the same problem. I mentioned other aspects, theft and possession. |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:29 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Seattle Joined: Wed Jul 4, 2012 Posts: 272
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Because clearly guns are the problem...
 They complain about guns because they are unwilling or unable to address the real issues. |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:32 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8654
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angryfatcat wrote: Because clearly guns are the problem... They complain about guns because they are unwilling or unable to address the real issues. indeed _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:56 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Seattle Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 Posts: 4469
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ANZAC wrote: I disagree. People should be prohibited or prosecuted for knowingly or unknowingly supplying guns to prohibited persons. It is another aspect of the same problem. I mentioned other aspects, theft and possession. I'm going to disagree with you here Anzac. By taking that stance you are putting the responsibility on the otherwise law abiding citizen to insure that the criminal obeys the law. This completely takes away all personal accountability. Passing the buck to the next guy. There is one person in the wrong here and that's the prohibited guy trying to gain possession. _________________ Private sales should be private! |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:00 am |
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Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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Sissyboy wrote: ANZAC wrote: I disagree. People should be prohibited or prosecuted for knowingly or unknowingly supplying guns to prohibited persons. It is another aspect of the same problem. I mentioned other aspects, theft and possession. I'm going to disagree with you here Anzac. By taking that stance you are putting the responsibility on the otherwise law abiding citizen to insure that the criminal obeys the law. This completely takes away all personal accountability. Passing the buck to the next guy. There is one person in the wrong here and that's the prohibited guy trying to gain possession. So you think people who sell illegal drugs should be able to do so with impunity? |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:41 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Spokane Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 Posts: 9653 Real Name: Hans Edlefreth III.
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ANZAC wrote: I disagree. People should be prohibited or prosecuted for knowingly or unknowingly supplying guns to prohibited persons. It is another aspect of the same problem. I mentioned other aspects, theft and possession. Ok, so... you sell a vehicle to someone. They, in turn, are speeding and driving recklessly. They crash and kill themselves and anyone else in the car. Should you be held liable for their actions in ignoring and breaking the law by their actions? Since it was YOU who provided them with said vehicle? _________________ -A cowardly man thinks he will ever live, if warfare he avoids; but old age will give him no peace, though spears may spare him. "For I have always lived violently, drunk hugely, eaten too much or not at all, slept around the clock or missed two nights of sleeping, worked too hard and too long in glory, or slobbed for a time in utter laziness. I’ve lifted, pulled, chopped, climbed, made love with joy and taken my hangovers as a consequence, not as a punishment." -- John Steinbeck "Experience is one thing you can't get for nothing." -- Oscar Wilde "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one." -- Marcus Aurelius "Now I'm off to check out Drew's dick." -- MadPick |
| Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:49 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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bhpdrew wrote: ANZAC wrote: I disagree. People should be prohibited or prosecuted for knowingly or unknowingly supplying guns to prohibited persons. It is another aspect of the same problem. I mentioned other aspects, theft and possession. Ok, so... you sell a vehicle to someone. They, in turn, are speeding and driving recklessly. They crash and kill themselves and anyone else in the car. Should you be held liable for their actions in ignoring and breaking the law by their actions? Since it was YOU who provided them with said vehicle? That's a specious analogy. There's no one who is not permitted to possess a car (that I can think of). Big difference to an ex-felon or someone who was involuntarily committed. There are good reasons they are prohibited persons. |
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