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Does it have to be posted?
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Site Supporter   Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645 
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So they other day I stopped by a new spot to get a growler fill. I don't see any signs that say firearms not permitted, over 21 only....nothing.
I go inside, taste a few brews, fill my growler and head back to the car. Over the course of conversation with the gal filling the growlers, I ask if they serve food, which they do not. I can only assume since they only serve alcohol, that the place would be off limits to under 21, and therefor unlawful to carry. Does that hold true if it is not conspicuously posted? _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:42 am |
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Site Moderator   Location: Duvall Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2011 Posts: 8660 Real Name: Jaime
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It was my understanding that the green sign must be posted at the entrance to the over 21 area. And there must be a separation between the two spaces overall. I don't have the RCW handy but that would be the place to look.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:50 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: West Olympia Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 Posts: 6817 Real Name: Matt
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Looks like a sign must be posted, but I would not let that be your plan to not get in trouble. The WAC is here. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=314-11-060
While I could not find the exact wording I have been told the place has to rely on alcohol for less than 50% of its profit. If they do not serve food, I would leave. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300 _________________ "I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and TANKS! I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN! And loved only one woman, with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!" "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Albert Einstein 1947 |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:29 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: N-Sno Joined: Thu Oct 3, 2013 Posts: 4015
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I would say it's their job to post everything properly, not your job to infer how their business is structured and regulated. If they are supposed to be posting, then they are likely in violation, not you.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:01 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5492
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If you are talking about a place like Total Wine or Bevmo, children are allowed in the store so you can CC.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:18 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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Classic wrote: If you are talking about a place like Total Wine or Bevmo, children are allowed in the store so you can CC. Bars and taverns are a no-no Bevmo has a sign that says 21 and over. Total Wine does not. 99 Bottles does not. This place is labeled as a "brewing company"...so not specifically a tavern or bar, and not specifically labeled as a Tap Room. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:24 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Central FL Joined: Sun Apr 7, 2013 Posts: 3207
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Do they serve beer for consumption on premises? Seems that would make a difference too.
On a somewhat related tangent, would a full growler be considered an"open container"? They just have a screw top without any actual factory seal. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:29 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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edogg wrote: Do they serve beer for consumption on premises? Seems that would make a difference too. On a somewhat related tangent, would a full growler be considered an"open container"? They just have a screw top without any actual factory seal. most places do a shrink wrap on the lid. I'd call that sealed. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:43 am |
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 Site Supporter  Location: Bremerton Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2014 Posts: 1618
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Bevmo doesn't shrink wrap
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:08 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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dennydp wrote: Bevmo doesn't shrink wrap I guess another reason I don't go there. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:14 am |
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Site Supporter Location: N-Sno Joined: Thu Oct 3, 2013 Posts: 4015
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I've never seen any place shrink wrap a growler lid. If I remember correctly, the LCB allows patrons to take home partially-opened wine bottles (ones they didn't completely consume with their meal), so there must be some mechanism for that sort of "open container" to be legally transported. Now, if you're pulled over and the wine bottle is in your hand, you're probably screwed.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:31 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4340 Real Name: Larry
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Yeah the Key will be if children are allowed in the location and/or if there is signage. I see kids in Total wine and more all the time and there is no liquor control board signage.
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| Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:47 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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mislabeled wrote: I've never seen any place shrink wrap a growler lid. If I remember correctly, the LCB allows patrons to take home partially-opened wine bottles (ones they didn't completely consume with their meal), so there must be some mechanism for that sort of "open container" to be legally transported. Now, if you're pulled over and the wine bottle is in your hand, you're probably screwed. Total Wine and 99 Bottles in Fed Way are usually where I fill up. They put some sort of plastic over it, then shrink it down with a hair dryer. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:24 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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lamrith wrote: Yeah the Key will be if children are allowed in the location and/or if there is signage. I see kids in Total wine and more all the time and there is no liquor control board signage. Total Wine also shrink wraps the growlers. Nice to see a place that "gets it" and looks out for their customers like that. I guess the bottom line is do they have to post the Liquor control board sign? If they don't, can I assume I'm G2G? _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:26 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lacey, WA Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 2490 Real Name: Dave
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mislabeled wrote: I would say it's their job to post everything properly, not your job to infer how their business is structured and regulated. If they are supposed to be posting, then they are likely in violation, not you. While I agree that they are likely in violation I wouldn't risk it personally. I wouldn't want to be the test case for an issue like this. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk _________________ Even if "everyone is doing it" wrong is never right. Evil, error and darkness will never be truth, even if popular. |
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