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SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms

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ANZAC Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251	SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms If family requests notification, 72 hour delay to return http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/ ... 5381-S.pdf
Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:29 am

Benja455 Site Supporter Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms Interesting idea, I'm curious if it's ever been a real problem without notification...otherwise it sounds like a feel good/do nothing unfunded mandate.
Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:36 am

ANZAC Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms I'm not sure what to make of it. The notification sounds fine, I am not sure about the 72 hour thing -- it doesn't really connect to the reason why the guns were taken by LE. It might be appropriate in some situations, but not others. I do think it is interesting so many of these little bills sneak through without getting much public/media attention or scrutiny. No articles from Dave Workman, no SAF or NRA comments. Just nothing that I could find.
Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:09 am

Benja455 Site Supporter Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms ANZAC wrote: I'm not sure what to make of it. The notification sounds fine, I am not sure about the 72 hour thing -- it doesn't really connect to the reason why the guns were taken by LE. It might be appropriate in some situations, but not others. I do think it is interesting so many of these little bills sneak through without getting much public/media attention or scrutiny. No articles from Dave Workman, no SAF or NRA comments. Just nothing that I could find. I think it's a matter of importance - folks like Dave, the SAF or NRA can't keep sounding the alarm for low level stuff like this. Honestly, I personally have no problem with it - but only if I ignore the cost/hassle/paperwork it will create for LEOs and their office staff. If I were WACOPS, I'd be pretty concerned about the fiscal ramifications of this bill. Even if you only deal with this situation occasionally - you still have to invest all of the time/energy into building a system, creating the procedures/forms - you can't do that overnight and/or for free.
Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:13 am

kf7mjf Site Supporter Location: Olympia Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 Posts: 16044 Real Name: Steve	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms Benja455 wrote: If I were WACOPS, I'd be pretty concerned about the fiscal ramifications of this bill. Even if you only deal with this situation occasionally - you still have to invest all of the time/energy into building a system, creating the procedures/forms - you can't do that overnight and/or for free. Call me an asshole,but most of the time I can't get worked up.over government departments struggling under the load of new systems and paperwork. Keeps them too busy to do more harmful things. _________________ "I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." - William Buckley, Jr. "...steam, artillery and revolvers give to civilized man an irresistible power." -Perry Collins
Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:23 am

gscott Site Supporter Location: Thurston Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 Posts: 672 Real Name: yup	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms I see that bitch Laurie Jinkins is a co-sponsor of the House companion bill. If she's for it I'm agin' it.
Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:37 am

AR15L Site Supporter Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19466 Real Name: Rick	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms gscott wrote: I see that bitch Laurie Jinkins is a co-sponsor of the House companion bill. If she's for it I'm agin' it. I agree. What makes you think they will comply in the first place? _________________ ‘What’s the point of being a citizen if an illegal gets all the benefits’
Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:43 am

Benja455 Site Supporter Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms AR15L wrote: What makes you think they will comply in the first place? Fear of litigation by someone/their family after being injured/killed without notification.
Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:58 am

joao01 Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms gscott wrote: I see that bitch Laurie Jinkins is a co-sponsor of the House companion bill. If she's for it I'm agin' it. I was thinking earlier how vulnerable is she? If we call pitched in the next election, could we push her out? _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business.
Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:58 am

ANZAC Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms For the record I don't like her either.
Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:25 am

ANZAC Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms Benja455 wrote: ANZAC wrote: I'm not sure what to make of it. The notification sounds fine, I am not sure about the 72 hour thing -- it doesn't really connect to the reason why the guns were taken by LE. It might be appropriate in some situations, but not others. I do think it is interesting so many of these little bills sneak through without getting much public/media attention or scrutiny. No articles from Dave Workman, no SAF or NRA comments. Just nothing that I could find. I think it's a matter of importance - folks like Dave, the SAF or NRA can't keep sounding the alarm for low level stuff like this. Honestly, I personally have no problem with it - but only if I ignore the cost/hassle/paperwork it will create for LEOs and their office staff. If I were WACOPS, I'd be pretty concerned about the fiscal ramifications of this bill. Even if you only deal with this situation occasionally - you still have to invest all of the time/energy into building a system, creating the procedures/forms - you can't do that overnight and/or for free. My main concern is how this might be abused based on false accusations. There's no appeal process either, you just lose your guns for 72 hours, and it isn't tied back to ANY specific type of situation under the RCWs. A great example of how a bill that is very short and simple is actually bad.
Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:27 am

Benja455 Site Supporter Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms ANZAC wrote: Benja455 wrote: ANZAC wrote: I'm not sure what to make of it. The notification sounds fine, I am not sure about the 72 hour thing -- it doesn't really connect to the reason why the guns were taken by LE. It might be appropriate in some situations, but not others. I do think it is interesting so many of these little bills sneak through without getting much public/media attention or scrutiny. No articles from Dave Workman, no SAF or NRA comments. Just nothing that I could find. I think it's a matter of importance - folks like Dave, the SAF or NRA can't keep sounding the alarm for low level stuff like this. Honestly, I personally have no problem with it - but only if I ignore the cost/hassle/paperwork it will create for LEOs and their office staff. If I were WACOPS, I'd be pretty concerned about the fiscal ramifications of this bill. Even if you only deal with this situation occasionally - you still have to invest all of the time/energy into building a system, creating the procedures/forms - you can't do that overnight and/or for free. My main concern is how this might be abused based on false accusations. There's no appeal process either, you just lose your guns for 72 hours, and it isn't tied back to ANY specific type of situation under the RCWs. A great example of how a bill that is very short and simple is actually bad. Valid point.
Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:32 am

ANZAC Site Supporter Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms Passed. http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/s ... t/32415502 "She says the changes are small, but worth it if they can save just one life."
Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:59 pm

gscott Site Supporter Location: Thurston Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 Posts: 672 Real Name: yup	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms Passed without objection. Not one nay vote in either chamber. It must be good for us!
Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:19 pm

danoh Site Supporter Location: Sumner, WA Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2012 Posts: 3026 Real Name: Dan	Re: SB5381 72 hour delay from LE returning firearms ANZAC must have 594'd it. _________________ US2A.org is done. Closed. From a blog: Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end. Benjamin Franklin: It is the (civic) responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:15 pm

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