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Dean762
Location: Lakewood Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 Posts: 316
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This isnt specifically 594 but I think its relevant to whats happening. http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/7 ... -pdf-1.pdf
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:14 pm |
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joao01
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Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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asshats. but that is what we are dealing with. I scanned it a bit, but that is a lengthy play book.
They do a pretty good job of talking about how "their side" can communicate with the average american...something I think our side is lacking.
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:13 pm |
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5846
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That looks like a rewrite of a couple of the chapters of Rules for Radicals.
_________________M D "Doc" Nugent NRA RSO
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:28 pm |
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Dean762
Location: Lakewood Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 Posts: 316
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DocNugent wrote: That looks like a rewrite of a couple of the chapters of Rules for Radicals. I have no doubt that there is cross over. They simply cannot build their Utopian socialist society with a bunch of armed trouble makers who actually believe in freedom.
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:46 pm |
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glockgirl
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Location: Bellevue Joined: Tue Aug 6, 2013 Posts: 4895
Real Name: Jennifer
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The de facto playbook for the anti-2A lot has always been out there, and shouldn't surprise anyone. That is all.
_________________ "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." ~Tenzin Gyatso, aka His Holiness the Dalai Lama
"We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves." ~ Romans 15:1
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:03 am |
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Dean762
Location: Lakewood Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 Posts: 316
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They are having a pretty lively discussion about this on the Sig Forums. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... 3700029273
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:42 pm |
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joao01
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Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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I got through half a page. Made my head hurt.
_________________Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business.
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Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:16 am |
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Dean762
Location: Lakewood Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 Posts: 316
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joao01 wrote: I got through half a page. Made my head hurt. I cant read a lot of this stuff. Its bad for the blood pressure. I have read the rules for radicals but this specifically deals with guns so its something that although painful, is pertinent.
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Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:58 pm |
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G XXII
Location: Bonney Lake Joined: Mon May 9, 2011 Posts: 355
Real Name: Navin Johnson
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On page 17....."The United States has 5% of the worlds population and 50% of the worlds guns"
Sounds like a good thing to me. Let's keep it that way!
_________________ Bark More/Wag Less
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Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:33 am |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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It is just like they are selling soda. And I am sure the NRA has a playbook too.
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Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:03 am |
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H2obouget
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Location: Graham Joined: Sun Sep 4, 2011 Posts: 2222
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Political brain washing. I read most of it, and I recognized the argument style. Very similar to a few people on this board.
_________________ What is a Waterbouget? It is that yellow thing in the middle, below my user name.
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Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:33 pm |
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Col_Temp
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Location: Lake Stevens Joined: Fri Jan 3, 2014 Posts: 6225
Real Name: Paris
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Quote: 1. Advocates for gun violence prevention win the logical debate, but lose on more emotional terms. 2. There is an intensity gap that has built up over years. In the general public, those who view themselves as supporters of gun rights are more deeply committed to and emotionally invested in their position than those supporting stronger gun violence prevention measures. 3. Generally speaking, people are unfamiliar with – and surprised to learn – how easy current laws make it to acquire guns and carry loaded weapons. 4. There is wide personal experience with gun violence. 40% of respondents report that they or someone they know personally has been a victim of gun violence Well They can't even get point 1 right! They lose every time when they stick to logic, because the logical facts point to the exact opposite conclusion. Number 2 is questionable considering all the lies and passion they put into something as dumb as 594. 3. How easy???? As an illegal alien I would be far more easily be able to get a driver license or a job than any of us were are to get our CPL! 4. Pretty useless statistic. Like saying 40% of the voting public are clueless. OR know someone who voted without knowing a thing. Or voted for someone else. We know its true but pretty useless statistic. I downloaded and maybe will scan some more but can see from the front end this wasn't a true research project. They set about to come to a certain conclusion. Good research is done by collecting data and reporting on what was found not. Prep for something and go get the supposed data to help backup you point.
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Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:47 pm |
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H2obouget
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Location: Graham Joined: Sun Sep 4, 2011 Posts: 2222
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While I agree with you assessment, I disagree with the "why".
This company did a study for anti-gunner on how to carry the anti-gunner message. The whole report is geared around teaching the anti-gunner the proper way to phrase things, and putting mind twisting phrases in their heads. It's a mnemonic teaching strategy. I am going to give you this information, in this specific wording so that when time comes to recite it, you will remember it and the other key bits of information associated with it.
The mnemonic learner remembers what they were taught. The don't actually think for themselves. Hence the reason that all the anti-gunners spout off the same message. The biggest key to combating it...go off script. Don't feed them any of their pre staged trigger phrases. Don't say NRA...use 'Gun Rights Groups' When they return with "NRA!" correct them with "I was referring to National groups like Firearms Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, The Second Amendment Sisters, Women Against Gun Control, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, as well as State Groups such as Patriot Society of Western Washington, Washington Arms Collectors, and the Washington State Rifle & Pistol Association."
This makes the sheep go, "Oh there are other groups! And a lot of them!"
Then add in something to the effect of "The Anti-Gun organizations spent almost $10 million dollars, to support just one initiative in the State of Washington. Initiative 594. An initiative that passed, by less than 10%..and will cost the State $50K every year to fund, and has yet to show any justifiable results. By contrast...In 2012, Gun Rights Groups raised $3.13 million in total on Gun Rights campaigns, fought at both State and Federal levels. And they --> say, that Gun Rights Groups spend huge amounts of money in struggle to keep their gun rights. So where did all their money come from...The wealthy 1% of America. The wealthy 1% funded the Anti-gun organizations, the political rally's, and the private parties that resulted in 3 times the amount of money that the Gun Rights groups could raise."
We make them look like the aggressors, while we look like underdogs. We give the people a reason to dislike their message, and their actions. Then we make them worse...they are sellouts.
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Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:19 pm |
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joao01
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Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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H2obouget wrote: While I agree with you assessment, I disagree with the "why".
This company did a study for anti-gunner on how to carry the anti-gunner message. The whole report is geared around teaching the anti-gunner the proper way to phrase things, and putting mind twisting phrases in their heads. It's a mnemonic teaching strategy. I am going to give you this information, in this specific wording so that when time comes to recite it, you will remember it and the other key bits of information associated with it.
The mnemonic learner remembers what they were taught. The don't actually think for themselves. Hence the reason that all the anti-gunners spout off the same message. The biggest key to combating it...go off script. Don't feed them any of their pre staged trigger phrases. Don't say NRA...use 'Gun Rights Groups' When they return with "NRA!" correct them with "I was referring to National groups like Firearms Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, The Second Amendment Sisters, Women Against Gun Control, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, as well as State Groups such as Patriot Society of Western Washington, Washington Arms Collectors, and the Washington State Rifle & Pistol Association."
This makes the sheep go, "Oh there are other groups! And a lot of them!"
Then add in something to the effect of "The Anti-Gun organizations spent almost $10 million dollars, to support just one initiative in the State of Washington. Initiative 594. An initiative that passed, by less than 10%..and will cost the State $50K every year to fund, and has yet to show any justifiable results. By contrast...In 2012, Gun Rights Groups raised $3.13 million in total on Gun Rights campaigns, fought at both State and Federal levels. And they --> say, that Gun Rights Groups spend huge amounts of money in struggle to keep their gun rights. So where did all their money come from...The wealthy 1% of America. The wealthy 1% funded the Anti-gun organizations, the political rally's, and the private parties that resulted in 3 times the amount of money that the Gun Rights groups could raise."
We make them look like the aggressors, while we look like underdogs. We give the people a reason to dislike their message, and their actions. Then we make them worse...they are sellouts. Good points. I thought of this thread when I saw this brief video: http://youtu.be/0JRgtNmqVCg
_________________Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business.
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