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Bently_Coop
Location: Kent Station Joined: Sun Jun 8, 2014 Posts: 242
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ANZAC wrote: ccontrol wrote: "Unknown number of guns changing hands" divided by "Lots of forum posts"
Either way your post lacks a position defensible by actual facts. But that's not a new position, is it? It is a sample. Do you think people on this forum are complying with the new law (mostly) or mostly not? (edit) it would be interesting to know the number or % of private transactions FFLs are doing across the state. It wouldn't measure non-compliance, but it would still be interesting to know. Its not about think, which has previously been addressed ITT. ANZAC wrote: RENCORP wrote: Sooo - gun crime will be solved, felons caught, and gun origins traced - exactly the way they were done - before 594.
Shocking news, just shocking. No, the difference is the seller can now be prosecuted if they fail to ensure the buyer got a background check, even if they unknowingly sold to a prohibited person. Key word being can, however not one prosecution has gone through. Tell me how effective your bull shit law is again.
_________________skey wrote: Actually this is probably a big success for Seattle. They have finally managed to dig a hole they can't get out of.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:23 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38292
Real Name: Dan
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ANZAC wrote: Do you think people on this forum are complying with the new law (mostly) or mostly not?
Honestly? I think when 594 first took effect, you had a lot of people complying... I would be surprised if it was 50% now, and I see that number continuing to decline further.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:08 am |
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platz
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Location: everett Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 Posts: 510
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ANZAC wrote: RENCORP wrote: Sooo - gun crime will be solved, felons caught, and gun origins traced - exactly the way they were done - before 594.
Shocking news, just shocking. No, the difference is the seller can now be prosecuted if they fail to ensure the buyer got a background check, even if they unknowingly sold to a prohibited person. Prosecuted? It's just a misdemeanor. Tell me how that is a big deterent? Pretty much a "my bad" and walk away to a first time offender. Unless they want to make an example of someone and then the lawyers have their example to wreck this shit law.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:33 am |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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platz wrote: Prosecuted? It's just a misdemeanor. Tell me how that is a big deterent? Pretty much a "my bad" and walk away to a first time offender. Unless they want to make an example of someone and then the lawyers have their example to wreck this shit law. Well, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is also a misdemeanor.... I don't think failing to go to an FFL (the buyer might have been ok) should be a felony. In both cases the thrust of the law is "get a CPL" or "go to a FFL".... neither assumes a connection with a violent felony. If they have a prior conviction on 9.41.113, then it becomes a felony. That's why I said .080 needs to be beefed up as well. There's no reason we can't have both.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:49 am |
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deadshot2
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581
Real Name: Mike
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Massivedesign wrote: ANZAC wrote: Do you think people on this forum are complying with the new law (mostly) or mostly not?
Honestly? I think when 594 first took effect, you had a lot of people complying... I would be surprised if it was 50% now, and I see that number continuing to decline further. A nice poll to conduct would be one asking FFL's how may private or "594" transfers they conduct each month. Run this poll on a monthly basis and see the trend over a year, two years----. I'll bet the line on a graph would look like a kid's playground slide. First the climb and from there downhill until it goes flat at the bottom.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:01 am |
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platz
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Location: everett Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 Posts: 510
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ANZAC wrote: platz wrote: Prosecuted? It's just a misdemeanor. Tell me how that is a big deterent? Pretty much a "my bad" and walk away to a first time offender. Unless they want to make an example of someone and then the lawyers have their example to wreck this shit law. Well, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is also a misdemeanor.... I don't think failing to go to an FFL (the buyer might have been ok) should be a felony. In both cases the thrust of the law is "get a CPL" or "go to a FFL".... neither assumes a connection with a violent felony. If they have a prior conviction on 9.41.113, then it becomes a felony. That's why I said .080 needs to be beefed up as well. There's no reason we can't have both. So what you are basically saying is oh well it makes me feel better? I'm glad. oh yea and let's change our current laws to be more strict. How about we enforce the laws we have.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:00 am |
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Bently_Coop
Location: Kent Station Joined: Sun Jun 8, 2014 Posts: 242
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platz wrote: ANZAC wrote: platz wrote: Prosecuted? It's just a misdemeanor. Tell me how that is a big deterent? Pretty much a "my bad" and walk away to a first time offender. Unless they want to make an example of someone and then the lawyers have their example to wreck this shit law. Well, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is also a misdemeanor.... I don't think failing to go to an FFL (the buyer might have been ok) should be a felony. In both cases the thrust of the law is "get a CPL" or "go to a FFL".... neither assumes a connection with a violent felony. If they have a prior conviction on 9.41.113, then it becomes a felony. That's why I said .080 needs to be beefed up as well. There's no reason we can't have both. So what you are basically saying is oh well it makes me feel better? I'm glad. oh yea and let's change our current laws to be more strict. How about we enforce the laws we have.Excellent plan right there.
_________________skey wrote: Actually this is probably a big success for Seattle. They have finally managed to dig a hole they can't get out of.
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Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:19 am |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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platz wrote: ANZAC wrote: That's why I said .080 needs to be beefed up as well. There's no reason we can't have both. So what you are basically saying is oh well it makes me feel better? I'm glad. oh yea and let's change our current laws to be more strict. How about we enforce the laws we have. Enforcing the previous laws we had wouldn't have any consequences for people who don't care who they sell guns to.
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Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:15 am |
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CurtisLemansky
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Location: Snohomish County Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2013 Posts: 2300
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ANZAC wrote: platz wrote: ANZAC wrote: That's why I said .080 needs to be beefed up as well. There's no reason we can't have both. So what you are basically saying is oh well it makes me feel better? I'm glad. oh yea and let's change our current laws to be more strict. How about we enforce the laws we have. Enforcing the previous laws we had wouldn't have any consequences for people who don't care who they sell guns to. And why exactly is that necessary? Oh yes, because revoking inalienable rights despite time served is A OK. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
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