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 Live in Seattle? Oppose Seattle's Gun Tax! 
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Here is an email I sent to the Seattle city council:

Good morning,

I buy goods at firearm dealers in Seattle. I oppose the proposed ordinance for several reasons:

1) there is no association between firearm or ammunition sales.....

2) the tax is disproportionate to the cost of the items.....

3) the tax will put Seattle firearms dealers out of business....


Respectfully,

594 supporter



FIFY, really loses some steam when the source of the letter is revealed


Really? Was that helpful in some way?

Maybe we can try sticking together here . . . ANZAC sent a good email. Did you?


Nope, and no. I donated to saf, attended no on 594 rallies and educated everyone I could on why 594 was a terrible initiative. I didn't email about this though.

But, I don't pick and choose which of our gun rights I choose to support. I support all of them, because we don't need to pick our battles. We need to fight them all. We are the minority here.

No disrespect Steve. Anzac is no dummy, he speaks well and is clearly intelligent. Same with Soly. But if they aren't with us, they're against us. And I refuse to forget the times they've been against us.

Respectfully,

Murica

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sinus211 wrote:

Nope, and no. I donated to saf, attended no on 594 rallies and educated everyone I could on why 594 was a terrible initiative. I didn't email about this though.

But, I don't pick and choose which of our gun rights I choose to support. I support all of them, because we don't need to pick our battles. We need to fight them all. We are the minority here.

No disrespect Steve. Anzac is no dummy, he speaks well and is clearly intelligent. Same with Soly. But if they aren't with us, they're against us. And I refuse to forget the times they've been against us.

Respectfully,

Murica



Pretty much sums it up perfectly. As Specialist Ilario says in Courage Under Fire...

"It's not the doing shit that gets to you. It's the consequences. Imagine a life without consequences."

No gun owners or shooting sport supporter wants to see this tax implemented...In Seattle OR anywhere else. But if you actively and aggressively support liberal policies and the politicians who support such policies, knowing that antigun is generally a Liberal policy, can you really be surprised when the dog turns on the hand that feeds it?

Consequences...ain't they a bitch.

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Seattle politics is a losing battle. Let them have their liberal utopia...



Along with the same kind of fence around it as they use around prisons. Double rows of chain link layered and topped with razor wire. Require visa's to enter or leave Seattle.

Contain Seattle's form of liberalism just like they try to contain Ebola.

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No gun owners or shooting sport supporter wants to see this tax implemented...In Seattle OR anywhere else. But if you actively and aggressively support liberal policies and the politicians who support such policies, knowing that antigun is generally a Liberal policy, can you really be surprised when the dog turns on the hand that feeds it?


The mindset of an ideologue means that every issue is all or nothing along the party/ideology lines. If I want more gun rights, then I must also accept that gays are evil, abortion is wrong, and that we shouldn't help poor sick kids that have no health care. (or that all guns are evil, gays are great, abortion is a choice and free healthcare of all.)

The real world isn't so black and white. I will not vote for people who always vote on party lines, they need to be independent thinkers and understand the impacts of each piece of policy legislation on all of (not some of) their constituents.

You guys and the anti-gun grannies are just shadowy reflections of each other. All or nothing.

Both you and the anti-gun grannies will just push 'Murica further apart into two large ideologue states, violently opposed on every issue, which of course must be tied together into the two voting platforms.

I oppose this gun tax not because I'm a gun owner and believe in fewer gun laws, I oppose it because it is a stupid idea and won't make any difference to gun violence. If you want to further fragment opposition to this gross stupidity, please be my guest.


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deadshot2 wrote:
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Seattle politics is a losing battle. Let them have their liberal utopia...



Along with the same kind of fence around it as they use around prisons. Double rows of chain link layered and topped with razor wire. Require visa's to enter or leave Seattle.

Contain Seattle's form of liberalism just like they try to contain Ebola.


We can't ignore it. If it is upheld in court it means it could happen in your city, your county.


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ANZAC wrote:
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No gun owners or shooting sport supporter wants to see this tax implemented...In Seattle OR anywhere else. But if you actively and aggressively support liberal policies and the politicians who support such policies, knowing that antigun is generally a Liberal policy, can you really be surprised when the dog turns on the hand that feeds it?


The mindset of an ideologue means that every issue is all or nothing along the party/ideology lines. If I want more gun rights, then I must also accept that gays are evil, abortion is wrong, and that we shouldn't help poor sick kids that have no health care. (or that all guns are evil, gays are great, abortion is a choice and free healthcare of all.)

The real world isn't so black and white. I will not vote for people who always vote on party lines, they need to be independent thinkers and understand the impacts of each piece of policy legislation on all of (not some of) their constituents.

You guys and the anti-gun grannies are just shadowy reflections of each other. All or nothing.

Both you and the anti-gun grannies will just push 'Murica further apart into two large ideologue states, violently opposed on every issue, which of course must be tied together into the two voting platforms.

I oppose this gun tax not because I'm a gun owner and believe in fewer gun laws, I oppose it because it is a stupid idea and won't make any difference to gun violence. If you want to further fragment opposition to this gross stupidity, please be my guest.



Call me an ideologue if you want...matters not...It's about as far off base from my mindset in general as you can get.

Gay rights? Really? What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

I'm pro gun, gays aren't evil, (my brother is gay), abortion is a choice (not one I would prefer), and healthcare for the genuinely needy is fine. Does have contradicting beliefs (according to your standards...which are skewed anyhow) make me an enigma? I don't think so.

But I will take responsibility for who and how I vote...

Back to the original topic of my post, I don't believe there is a firearms type ANYWHERE in the state that wants to see this.

If you think it is the shadowy anti gun grannies that are driving this bus then you're not as well informed as I thought.

It's the "progressive" thought train... or in my opinion the "regressive" thought train. Because their idea of progress sucks.

Let's see, I've been called an Ideologue, homophobe, isolationist, racist, narrow minded, bigoted to name a few here. And everytime by one of the Liberal members.

Seattle's Liberal policies...Stupid is as stupid does.

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only Darwin can fix stupid


Until they make a law against it.

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foothills wrote:

Call me an ideologue if you want...matters not...It's about as far off base from my mindset in general as you can get.

Gay rights? Really? What does that have to do with the topic at hand?



Liberal this, liberal that.

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Seattle's Liberal policies...Stupid is as stupid does.


Point made, thanks.


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Batching and ideology are two different things.

That said, most ideological "liberals" also buy into the democrat party batching. That is why pro-2A people accurately complain about "liberals."

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No disrespect Steve. Anzac is no dummy, he speaks well and is clearly intelligent. Same with Soly. But if they aren't with us, they're against us. And I refuse to forget the times they've been against us.


Sinus211, the only reason for your commenting here is because I asked you to not come to my store after you lied about my support for I594, and then lied about experience you had in my store (for which I have a security camera recording). You are so full of ethics, it is literally coming out of your ears on this one...

Please don't try to pretend being a good guy here...

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So on this thread we clearly see who is genuinely interested in firearms, and who is just a Republican ideologue who uses firearms to advance the party line. Yes, Seattle is a liberal city, and yes, we cater to liberal clientele. The first attempt to shut down my store came from a Republican. I594 was endorsed by a former Republican Governor and a Republican King County Prosecutor.

So if you want to just hew the party line - go back to your bitching on the Internet, just don't stand in the way of people who are actually working. If you want to actually create change - work with us. This includes getting as many people in our camp - from all walks of life.

Lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way.

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Soly, if you keep trying to pigeonhole people into your interpretive alternate version of reality, and you will only succeed at what you have accomplished to date.

Which is not much when it comes to unity. In your own words, with definitive explanations of causation versus outcome, I present the following.

Leader ? I don't think so. Leadership means uniting disparate groups of people and inspiring them to follow you.

Follower ? I don't think so. You have endlessly indicated that you are far too well educated to do anything but pity the masses, and deliver them from ignorance.

Get the fuck out of the way ? Well, you may be well qualified to do that.


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Funny how strong and principled people here claim to be. As soon as someone dangles a cheap gun in their face they seem to forget all that. Still haven't figured out how we have so many foxes in the hen house, maybe its.......hey look, cheap gun!

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solyanik wrote:
So on this thread we clearly see who is genuinely interested in firearms, and who is just a Republican ideologue who uses firearms to advance the party line. Yes, Seattle is a liberal city, and yes, we cater to liberal clientele. The first attempt to shut down my store came from a Republican. I594 was endorsed by a former Republican Governor and a Republican King County Prosecutor.

So if you want to just hew the party line - go back to your bitching on the Internet, just don't stand in the way of people who are actually working. If you want to actually create change - work with us. This includes getting as many people in our camp - from all walks of life.

Lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way.

Liberals don't always equate to democrats. Quite a few liberals call themselves republicans. Chris Christie, Mitt Romney, Arnold Swarzeneggar and Andy Hill all come to mind.

As for your store, I've been in it. I came in with my wife a while back to look at your CZs and I even purchased some ammo.

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If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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