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Guntrader wrote:
I believe all federal buildings (whether leased or owned) are off limits to all but on duty LE.

Friend of mine asked a national park ranger if he could carry concealed in the ranger station.
The ranger replied "Well, if it's concealed, how would we knew you were carrying, unless you were waving it around at people?"

He also argued with Tulalip security about the validity of the 'no firearms' signs for the entire casino (not just the bar area).
The guard finally said "OK, it's not against the law. But we'll take your picture and you'll never be allowed in here again."

Private property. Any business can have a no gun rule. Just like no shirt, no service rule. You can be trespassed for violating their rules, but not a gun violation. Also I believe the reservations have their own rules. They don't have to follow state pre-emption. So, having a gun on tribal lands can get you in trouble. YMMV.

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Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:05 pm
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I believe the reservations have their own rules. They don't have to follow state pre-emption. So, having a gun on tribal lands can get you in trouble. YMMV.

Oh shit I hadn't thought about that. I frequently travel on tribal lands.

This Post seems to imply that tribal laws don't apply to us so there is nothing to worry about.


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golddigger14s wrote:
I believe the reservations have their own rules. They don't have to follow state pre-emption. So, having a gun on tribal lands can get you in trouble. YMMV.

Oh shit I hadn't thought about that. I frequently travel on tribal lands.

This Post seems to imply that tribal laws don't apply to us so there is nothing to worry about.

I read it as saying the opposite. Also very old thread (2007).

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golddigger14s wrote:
snozzberries wrote:
golddigger14s wrote:
I believe the reservations have their own rules. They don't have to follow state pre-emption. So, having a gun on tribal lands can get you in trouble. YMMV.

Oh shit I hadn't thought about that. I frequently travel on tribal lands.

This Post seems to imply that tribal laws don't apply to us so there is nothing to worry about.

I read it as saying the opposite. Also very old thread (2007).

Here is a PDF: http://handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf

Copy and paste it into your browser. Directly linking appears to be blocked.

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Tribal Law only applies to those who live on the Reservation. If you are carrying a firearm with a permit/license that is valid in the state the reservation is located in that permit/license may not be valid on the Reservation.

So I'm not sure which way. I don't live on the Res so it sounds like the tribal laws are irrelevant.

I think it is saying that if you live on the res, and you have a Washington State CPL, that the tribe might not respect it. But if you don't live on the res, then pay no attention to the res laws.


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snozzberries wrote:
golddigger14s wrote:
snozzberries wrote:
golddigger14s wrote:
I believe the reservations have their own rules. They don't have to follow state pre-emption. So, having a gun on tribal lands can get you in trouble. YMMV.

Oh shit I hadn't thought about that. I frequently travel on tribal lands.

This Post seems to imply that tribal laws don't apply to us so there is nothing to worry about.

I read it as saying the opposite. Also very old thread (2007).

Here is a PDF: http://handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf

Copy and paste it into your browser. Directly linking appears to be blocked.

It states:
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Tribal Law only applies to those who live on the Reservation. If you are carrying a firearm with a permit/license that is valid in the state the reservation is located in that permit/license may not be valid on the Reservation.

So I'm not sure which way. I don't live on the Res so it sounds like the tribal laws are irrelevant.

I think it is saying that if you live on the res, and you have a Washington State CPL, that the tribe might not respect it. But if you don't live on the res, then pay no attention to the res laws.

That's what it looks like to me, as well. But it is so poorly worded that it would be easy for tribal lawmen to claim that it means that your CPL means nothing on the reservation, regardless of where you live.

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I agree it is terribly written (like most laws, rules, regulations, etc.) but I agree and think that it's saying that it only applies to people that live on the reservation since the first sentence says "Tribal Law only applies to those who live on the Reservation." But who the hell knows?!?

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Sooo. Just got done chatting with one of our Senior Assistant Attorney Generals to get his take on this.
Keep in mind we work in the field of Medicaid Healthcare fraud not this convoluted crap (although the stuff we do is convoluted as hell too).
Do NOT take this as an Attorney General opinion, the end all answer or the word of whichever deity you chose to believe in!!!

However, he has worked for many years as an attorney in a wide variety of capacities. He said it's EXTREMELY complicated and depends on a myriad of things. Some of those things include who owns the property you're standing on whether it be the tribe, a federal trust, private property, etc. It also depends on if the tribe has some sort of agreement with the state to recognize a particular piece of the law. As far as the issue of who owns the property...apparently you would be fine on state highways because they are considered property of the state but the bet is off ANYWHERE else on the reservation. This would include the McDonald's or gas station of your choosing to use the facilities.
BUT...that notwithstanding he interprets it to mean that you DO NOT want to carry on tribal lands period unless you are 100% sure you will not be leaving the state highway or you know that the tribe has an agreement to honor a CPL.

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