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WAGR's Next Firearm Initiative
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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Quote: Dear ANZAC,
Thank you so much for your support of the Alliance for Gun Responsibility! We would not have achieved such a historic victory on background checks without your leadership. That’s why we wanted you to be among the first to know we will soon file a 2016 ballot initiative: Emergency Protection Orders!
This critical initiative could have prevented the UC Santa Barbara, Café Racer and Seattle Jewish Federation shootings. It would help law enforcement and families temporarily restrict access to firearms for individuals proven to be a threat to themselves or others. This lifesaving policy is so commonsense that 83 percent of Washingtonians support it!
We tried to pass this bill through the Washington State legislature this year and last year. Our legislators failed to act – once again proving too many of them are bought and paid for by the gun lobby. However, given the people are with us and voter turnout in Washington State this year is expected to be high, we are confident we will succeed at the ballot. In doing so, we could prevent the next tragedy.
We will formally announce our initiative next week but we wanted to let you know in advance, since you have been with us from the beginning. We hope you will stand with us again now as we take another important step forward!
Thanks again, My reply: Quote: The Santa Barbara killer shot, stabbed and ran over his victims. If he is so dangerous that he shouldn’t have a gun, he shouldn’t be on the street! He have been locked up and treated. As the incident showed, even without a gun he would have killed people…..
The cafe racer shooter was able to buy guns because the family declined TWICE to press domestic violence charges. If they weren’t willing to do that, why would they have sought an EPO?
WA law already allows for temporary holds for mental health evaluations. If someone really is a danger to themselves and others, that it the correct route to protect the public. I work closely with the King County Sheriff’s office and have seen this process in action - it is fair and it protects the individual, the family and the public.
And the scope for abuse with these firearm emergency protection orders is great. There needs to be due process, and an appeal process. The California law just passed has no right of appeal, no process outlined.
How about encouraging gun safety education in schools (if you see a gun, don’t touch it), raising money for educational campaigns for safe storage etc? Lobby the federal government for tax credits on gun safes? Encouraging Governor Inslee to get WSP to investigate every background check denial like they do in Oregon? Plenty of other good avenues out there to make a difference.
While I don’t doubt some legislators are influenced by the gun lobby, I am sure that there are many that have the same concerns that I do.
I won’t support WAGR when it pursues laws that are redundant, or prone to abuse. if you send me a copy of the draft initiative, I’d be happy to provide comments. I copied Hanauer. I am sure he will reject any kind of logical discussion.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:18 pm |
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Beer Hounds
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Location: Fort Towson, OK Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2013 Posts: 2161
Real Name: Paul
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I am trying so hard to resist the ANZAC bait.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:27 pm |
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jukk0u
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Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21284
Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Congratulations on your "victory" and what you've helped to set in motion.....
_________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith
"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:30 pm |
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Sissyboy
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Location: Seattle Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 Posts: 4469
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While I did mostly agree with your response, I have tosay that there is a high level of hypocrisy in regards to I594 in your response.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:34 pm |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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jukk0u wrote: Congratulations on your "victory" and what you've helped to set in motion..... http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... slope.html
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:37 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
Real Name: Steve
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Well, thanks for replying to them and adding some logic to the conversation. Unfortunately I doubt that it will make any difference, since I'm convinced that they don't care about logic or common sense, but they simply want to harm the gun-owning community.
_________________SteveBenefactor Life Member, National Rifle AssociationLife Member, Second Amendment FoundationPatriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of AmericaLife Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear ArmsLegal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy CoalitionMember, NAGR/NFGRPlease support the organizations that support all of us.Leave it cleaner than you found it.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:40 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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Sissyboy wrote: While I did mostly agree with your response, I have tosay that there is a high level of hypocrisy in regards to I594 in your response. This...plus... MadPick wrote: Well, thanks for replying to them and adding some logic to the conversation. Unfortunately I doubt that it will make any difference, since I'm convinced that they don't care about logic or common sense, but they simply want to harm the gun-owning community. And may I ask, what were the exact terms of your offer to donate $1000 against the next anti-gun initiative?
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:47 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38309
Real Name: Dan
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Benja455 wrote: And may I ask, what were the exact terms of your offer to donate $1000 against the next anti-gun initiative?
I have it bookmarked. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=47366&p=407073#p407073ANZAC wrote: jim_dandy wrote: I'm surprised you're able to admit this finally. I have never doubted the motives of Bloomberg, MDA etc. And like I said, while I support 594, if WAGR goes off into some AWB or mag limit initiative afterwards, I'll donate double what I donated to 594 against it.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:05 pm |
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28186
Real Name: Ace Winky
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That's the spirit.
_________________ Why does the Penguin in Batman sound like a duck?
Because the eagle sounds like a hawk.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:06 pm |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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Benja455 wrote: And may I ask, what were the exact terms of your offer to donate $1000 against the next anti-gun initiative? I'd want to wait and see the text of this initiative to declare it "anti-gun". If it is a carbon copy of the CA legislation, $1000 will be put against it.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:07 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38309
Real Name: Dan
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Oh wait... Here is the original. Looks like Anzac may owe $1k. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=34203&p=291452ANZAC wrote: General Nonsense wrote: ANZAC wrote: Big deal, the guy sitting next to me at the WAGR fundraiser pledged $25k. WAGR has plenty of cash.
I'm assuming both sides are holding back on media spend until it gets to a ballot. (edit) holy crap, I guess not.
Yes, I hate Bloomberg/MAIG too. How much did you contribute to WAGR? $500, I think. To be fair, it included a lunch. (edit) if MAIG come here (or WAGR even) and try anything beyond UBCs, I'll donate double that amount (or more) against them.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:09 pm |
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28186
Real Name: Ace Winky
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When you grab a guy by the short and curlies you don't let go.
Of course the average clown WA state voter will chug this shit down. It's for the women and children.
_________________ Why does the Penguin in Batman sound like a duck?
Because the eagle sounds like a hawk.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:12 pm |
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DSynger
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Location: Kansas City Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 Posts: 2790
Real Name: Brad
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Holy crap, just let it go. We've got another crappy initiative coming down the pipe. At least Anzac is already swinging against it. I just hope it strays into unconstitutional so it can be smacked down.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:35 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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ANZAC wrote: Benja455 wrote: And may I ask, what were the exact terms of your offer to donate $1000 against the next anti-gun initiative? I'd want to wait and see the text of this initiative to declare it "anti-gun". If it is a carbon copy of the CA legislation, $1000 will be put against it. From the quote Dan referenced, anything put forward by WAGR counts...get that checkbook out.
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:50 pm |
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pdrake
Location: Seattle Joined: Thu Feb 7, 2013 Posts: 694
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DSynger wrote: Holy crap, just let it go. We've got another crappy initiative coming down the pipe. At least Anzac is already swinging against it. I just hope it strays into unconstitutional so it can be smacked down. I agree with this. ANZAC offered $1,000 cash money to fight this, which is the first (that I have seen) positive response.
_________________RENCORP wrote: After all, politics is porn too, only without the happy ending.
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