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What firearms related laws would you change if you could?
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PMB
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Joined: Wed Mar 6, 2013 Posts: 12018
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What do you believe needs to be changed in how our elected officials and courts interpret 2A? What if you were POTUS? American Dictator? This might be the wrong forum... Feel free to move it if I've chosen wrong.
I was admitting my violent and radical nature in another post and it made me think... Just what would I really like to see change in regards to our country's interpretation and enforcement of 2A?
"I'd be a terrible POTUS. I'd go after all politicians who advocate the deceitful gun control measures as enemies of the state. I'd bypass accepted rules and use executive actions, memos, decrees whatever - to try to swing this country back to my own vision of what the Founding Fathers meant it to be. There'd be a definition of 2A to include "All weapons that the ordinary foot soldier of the US Armed Forces carry"... and I'd vet the military brass to exclude those who believe the 2A means any less than that. Might sound good to a few of my 2A brethren, but I'd be like that Philippine prez who recently made news. There'd be blood in the streets. I'm way too radical."
So. 1. Define 2a as all weapons that ordinary foot soldier carries. Regularly... doesn't include suitcase nukes. heh 2. Mandate firearms training including live fire training for all middle schools, then electives available in all subsequent grades. 3. Replace "Safety First" with ... something else. "Liberty First"? "Liberty = Strength" and set up a computer hack that replaced every mass media use of the phrase "assault rifle" with "TOOL OF FREEDOM" haha Really I would. 4. Full restoration of 2A rights after time is served for a crime. (Probably be a helluva lot tougher on those clear stranger on stranger crimes though. Lots of daisy pushing and pretty quick when the judicial needs are met.) 5. Abolish the BATFE. And any law that applies to the ordinary citizen would apply to all citizens... including police and .Gov agencies.
Mercy... The power that I feel as Dictator is corrupting my soul... Bring back Layne Staley from the dead! I can't do that, can I? But for reals, I'd be smashing and burning all the filth that I saw... I'd be lynched eventually and go down in history as a ruthless tyrant. Count on it.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:47 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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Universal concealed carry reciprocity would be number one. NYC and CA would shit kittens.
I don't agree on restoring 2A to all released felons. Should be a time period of good conduct in the community first.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:55 pm |
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Soldier_Citizen
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Location: south 'merca Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 Posts: 9738
Real Name: Mike
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Universal country wide carry Down with the batf and the nfa Mandatory gun safety classes in schools(Eddie the eagle style not hunters Ed style)
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:57 pm |
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Soldier_Citizen
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Location: south 'merca Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 Posts: 9738
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Guntrader wrote: Universal concealed carry reciprocity would be number one. NYC and CA would shit kittens.
I don't agree on restoring 2A to all released felons. Should be a time period of good conduct in the community first. Depends on the felony... Rapist and murderers, child abusers ect... Should be in the ground already
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:01 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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WA issues conviction vacations after first time offenders have spend time in the community without any more convictions (5/10 years for C and B felonies respectively). No vacations for sex offenders, violent felons, or repeat offenders. Giving gun rights back to violent criminals seems like a bad idea.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:40 pm |
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AR15L
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Real Name: Rick
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I would just enforce the laws on the books as they stand. That would surely shake up the system.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:49 pm |
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RENCORP
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Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 12990
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Universal concealed and open carry.
Same with full auto.
Same with anything else right up to gunships, jets, tanks, you name it.
If the government can own it, so can a private citizen, tax and permit free.
Silencers would be no tax stamp, just an accessory like a scope or a sling.
BATF would be banished to Mexico.
Gun crime would be a first offense felony, 10 years hard labor, no fucking parole.
Gun crime killing would be a first offense mandatory dirt nap.
Settling insults and disputes with pistols at dawn would be legal.
BUT - law abiding gun carrying citizens would have eliminated all criminals within a year of these rules going into effect.
People would be a lot more civilized, respectful, and polite as a result too.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:00 pm |
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5846
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1. Disallow any non-firearm (e.g., silencers) to be regulated under the firearm laws. 2. Erase distinctions between types of firearms so they are all treated the same (e.g., end rifles, pistols, shotguns each having a different minimum barrel length). Those are the two that chap me the most, but - for the children - I could also live with: 3. Ban firearms without a user-switchable mechanical safety (e.g., Glock).
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:36 pm |
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mcyclonegt
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Guntrader wrote: WA issues conviction vacations after first time offenders have spend time in the community without any more convictions (5/10 years for C and B felonies respectively). No vacations for sex offenders, violent felons, or repeat offenders. Giving gun rights back to violent criminals seems like a bad idea. Putting violent criminals back on the streets is a bad idea period. If a person cant be trusted with their rights, they cant be trusted to be free.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:38 pm |
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waglocker
Location: Ohio Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2012 Posts: 3924
Real Name: Sean
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Eliminate the Hughes Amendment, BATFE, GCA '68, and NFA. National Constitutional carry.....just like a drivers license it doesn't matter what state you're in. The Constitution applies to each state. And no, you won't have to take a test to carry. I can hear Rosie and Rachel crying now....ha ha ha
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:39 pm |
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CQBgopher
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Eliminate the NFA, the GCA of 68, whatever that select fire transferable rule of 86 is/was, the AWB of 89, and allow suppressors to be sold over the counter as accessories.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:53 pm |
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ANZAC
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I'm here for the 594 hate.
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:32 am |
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Wacarry
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Location: Olympia Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 Posts: 3696
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National carry with no permit.
Arm the teachers- mandatory
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:24 am |
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jdhbulseye
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Location: Rochester, WA Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2016 Posts: 3761
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I like these ones from other posts and would implement them:
-Define 2a as all weapons that ordinary foot soldier carries. Regularly... doesn't include suitcase nukes. -Erase distinctions between types of firearms so they are all treated the same (e.g., end rifles, pistols, shotguns each having a different minimum barrel length). -Abolish the BATFE. And any law that applies to the ordinary citizen would apply to all citizens... including police and .Gov agencies. YES! Fuck YES! Especially the law that makes it illegal to lie to a Fed Agent. I would make it illegal for a politician to lie to a citizen.
Things I slightly disagree with:
-Mandate firearms training including live fire training for all middle schools, then electives available in all subsequent grades.
Education is not a Federal Gov responsibility its a states right. That being said I would have the Fed Gov assist states setting something like this up and encourage it.
-Full restoration of 2A rights after time is served for a crime. (Probably be a helluva lot tougher on those clear stranger on stranger crimes though. Lots of daisy pushing and pretty quick when the judicial needs are met.)
For non-violent crime yes. For violent criminals I would bring back public executions, hangings and firing squads. We allow too much celebrity status on the news for these asswipes that shoot places up, If they aren't dead after they do the deed I say a very very quick trial and string that fuck up and let him swing in the town square for a while until he starts smelling real bad. The exception to this for non-violent criminals is any dealer of drugs ( i dont give a shit about weed one way or another, im talking about coke, meth, LSD, PCP, the hard shit.), I assume automatically they dont give a fuck who they sell to and that means kids that really dont know what they are getting into sometimes so fuck these people, string them up.
Other things I would do: Universally legal concealed carry no license required
We would have a national primary day, none of this dog and pony show shit lasting for months. All states vote on the same day (mail in ballots are cool too) Any election fraud is also punishable by the same execution methods as above.
Government has no business involving themselves in legalizing or criminalizing marriage, gay or otherwise.
Repeal NFA and GCA
Any laws on the books that are too fucking complicated for someone who is not a lawyer to understand are out the window.
Fed Agencies dont get to make "policy" or "rules" that have the force of law....that shit is for congress....or me since I am a dictator.
No tax stamps or any of that shit.
Gun crime = 10 years chain gang and you never get your gun rights back gun crime that results in killing = string them up
If the cops get the wrong house in a raid whoever was responsible for planning the raid is not a cop anymore and they are doing 5 years hard labor.
All politicians would be paid whatever the median salary of their constituency was, and only for the time they were in office. Example, a state gov gets the median salary of workers in taht state. A mayor gets the median salary of residents in their city.
No more Judicial review, it was never meant to work that way anyway.
I would pair things down to only ONE fed law enforcement agency, we dont need the 16 or whatever rediculous number we have now/
Im sure there is more....I will think on it.
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ANZAC wrote: I'm here for the 594 hate. Ness fucking post I've seen in a long time.
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