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How Laws Are Made In Washington
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Talonap
Location: Illinois - for now ... Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 Posts: 56
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If anyone has the time, I think it would be good to know how laws are made in WA, (for those of us new people who don't know). All the talk of, "Initiatives", gets a bit confusing. I guess we have those here too ... In IL a bill is brought to either the house or senate, goes to committee. If the people in committee like it after all the discussion and testimony, (Or if the Speaker or President tell them they like it), it goes back to the originating body for a first reading. After it's been read three times on different days, I think, and no amendments are pasted on, the leader of the body, (Senate President or House Speaker), if they like it or not. If they don't like it, no vote - bill dies. If amendments are added, it goes back to committee and the whole thing starts again. If the originating body passes the bill, it goes on to the other body. If passed goes to the Gov. I probably forgot a few things, but it's a basic sense of what it is. Anyway ... P.S. Does Washington have an NRA Lobbyist in the General Assembly?
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:46 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38292
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In WA we have this procedure: http://leg.wa.gov/legislature/Pages/Bill2Law.aspxQuote: 1 - A bill may be introduced in either the Senate or House of Representatives by a member. 2 - It is referred to a committee for a hearing. The committee studies the bill and may hold public hearings on it. It can then pass, reject, or take no action on the bill. 3 - The committee report on the passed bill is read in open session of the House or Senate, and the bill is then referred to the Rules Committee. 4 - The Rules Committee can either place the bill on the second reading calendar for debate before the entire body, or take no action. 5 - At the second reading, a bill is subject to debate and amendment before being placed on the third reading calendar for final passage. 6 - After passing one house, the bill goes through the same procedure in the other house. 7 - If amendments are made in the other house, the first house must approve the changes. 8 - When the bill is accepted in both houses, it is signed by the respective leaders and sent to the governor. 9 - The governor signs the bill into law or may veto all or part of it. If the governor fails to act on the bill, it may become law without a signature. But, we also have our initiative process, which takes over for the above items: https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_ ... Washington
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:19 am |
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Talonap
Location: Illinois - for now ... Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 Posts: 56
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Massivedesign wrote: In WA we have this procedure: http://leg.wa.gov/legislature/Pages/Bill2Law.aspxQuote: 1 - A bill may be introduced in either the Senate or House of Representatives by a member. 2 - It is referred to a committee for a hearing. The committee studies the bill and may hold public hearings on it. It can then pass, reject, or take no action on the bill. 3 - The committee report on the passed bill is read in open session of the House or Senate, and the bill is then referred to the Rules Committee. 4 - The Rules Committee can either place the bill on the second reading calendar for debate before the entire body, or take no action. 5 - At the second reading, a bill is subject to debate and amendment before being placed on the third reading calendar for final passage. 6 - After passing one house, the bill goes through the same procedure in the other house. 7 - If amendments are made in the other house, the first house must approve the changes. 8 - When the bill is accepted in both houses, it is signed by the respective leaders and sent to the governor. 9 - The governor signs the bill into law or may veto all or part of it. If the governor fails to act on the bill, it may become law without a signature. But, we also have our initiative process, which takes over for the above items: https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_ ... WashingtonThank you for your time and the information! So, if I understand it correctly, if an initiative gets the minimum number of signatures and votes, it just, "Happens", without having to go through the legislature at all?
_________________ The uninformed always make fun of the, "Gun Guys"... until the, "Zombies", arrive.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:05 am |
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5846
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Talonap wrote: . . . if an initiative gets the minimum number of signatures and votes, it just, "Happens", without having to go through the legislature at all? I think the Leg has an opportunity to either pass it as is or refer it to the voters, but I don't remember when that option can be exercised.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:15 am |
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joao01
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Talonap wrote: Massivedesign wrote: In WA we have this procedure: http://leg.wa.gov/legislature/Pages/Bill2Law.aspxQuote: 1 - A bill may be introduced in either the Senate or House of Representatives by a member. 2 - It is referred to a committee for a hearing. The committee studies the bill and may hold public hearings on it. It can then pass, reject, or take no action on the bill. 3 - The committee report on the passed bill is read in open session of the House or Senate, and the bill is then referred to the Rules Committee. 4 - The Rules Committee can either place the bill on the second reading calendar for debate before the entire body, or take no action. 5 - At the second reading, a bill is subject to debate and amendment before being placed on the third reading calendar for final passage. 6 - After passing one house, the bill goes through the same procedure in the other house. 7 - If amendments are made in the other house, the first house must approve the changes. 8 - When the bill is accepted in both houses, it is signed by the respective leaders and sent to the governor. 9 - The governor signs the bill into law or may veto all or part of it. If the governor fails to act on the bill, it may become law without a signature. But, we also have our initiative process, which takes over for the above items: https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_ ... WashingtonThank you for your time and the information! So, if I understand it correctly, if an initiative gets the minimum number of signatures and votes, it just, "Happens", without having to go through the legislature at all? I think the Legislature can overturn or amend with 2/3s majority within first two years.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:17 am |
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Guntrader
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Somehow I always envisioned a large group of chimpanzees drinking their own piss and throwing feces at each other.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:40 am |
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jdhbulseye
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Location: Rochester, WA Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2016 Posts: 3761
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Guntrader wrote: Somehow I always envisioned a large group of chimpanzees drinking their own piss and throwing feces at each other. Im sure its something kinda like that. Doesn't the Governor have to sign the initiative if it gets voted for in the affirmative? Or is that totally not a thing? If not it should be. It would potentially halt the stupid in some cases.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:28 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38292
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Talonap wrote: So, if I understand it correctly, if an initiative gets the minimum number of signatures and votes, it just, "Happens", without having to go through the legislature at all?
Not exactly. If it has enough signatures, then the leg has the choice to pass it, or kick it to the people for a ballot vote. The leg can amend the initiative/bill and send that out as well, along side the original initiative. If it goes to a public vote, and passes, then that's it.. No leg involved, Gov signs it and she goes into effect xx days after signature.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:56 pm |
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Talonap
Location: Illinois - for now ... Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 Posts: 56
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Does Washington have an NRA Lobbyist? Il does and he is great! Don't think we would have cc without him.
_________________ The uninformed always make fun of the, "Gun Guys"... until the, "Zombies", arrive.
"Do what you can with what you've got!" Burt Gummer
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:38 pm |
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leadcounsel
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Talonap wrote: Does Washington have an NRA Lobbyist? Il does and he is great! Don't think we would have cc without him. Yes, and the very powerful Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is headquartered here. The SAF was one of the plaintiffs in McDonald v. Chicago. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case ... as_vis=1#r[4] Quote: The Supreme Court reversed the Seventh Circuit, holding that the Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense applicable to the states. With Justice Samuel A. Alito writing for the majority, the Court reasoned that rights that are "fundamental to the Nation's scheme of ordered liberty" or that are "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition" are appropriately applied to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court recognized in Heller that the right to self-defense was one such "fundamental" and "deeply rooted" right. The Court reasoned that because of its holding in Heller, the Second Amendment applied to the states. Here, the Court remanded the case to the Seventh Circuit to determine whether Chicago's handgun ban violated an individual's right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:09 pm |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7251
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DocNugent wrote: Talonap wrote: . . . if an initiative gets the minimum number of signatures and votes, it just, "Happens", without having to go through the legislature at all? I think the Leg has an opportunity to either pass it as is or refer it to the voters, but I don't remember when that option can be exercised. They can also propose an alternative initiative, but the existing one stays on the ballot as written.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:03 pm |
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28149
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How Are Laws Made In Washington?
FTFY
But, yeah money and a blender for $100, Alex.
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