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Author:  Dave Workman [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:46 am ]
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House Prepares for Vote on CCW Reciprocity, ‘Fix NICS’

Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives are planning to vote this week on a pair of issues that, perhaps unintentionally, put gun control proponents in a tight spot.

http://libertyparkpress.com/house-prepa ... -fix-nics/

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...And naturally, Ferguson is NOT one of the 23 state AGs who back gun rights...
:angryfire: :frust:
House CCW Reciprocity vote coming, 23 State AG’s back bill

The U.S. House of Representatives will reportedly vote Wednesday on the proposed Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, and the measure got support from 23 state attorneys general, leaving gun rights activists in the other states wondering why their chief law enforcement officer isn’t on that list.

https://conservativefiringline.com/hous ... back-bill/
Author:  velillen [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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If HR 4477 gets added in, I just cant support it and hope it fails. Nothing but the anti-gunners tacking on things for them to get a win out of this too.

Saying if an agency doesn't meet requirements that they will lose bonuses....yeah tell me agencies wont pencil whip things to keep their money.

And then the bumpfire stock thing...seriously that has nothing to do with either bill but there it is. Tacked on at the end. And you know that will just be used against gun owners down the road...



HOPEFULLY they keep things seperate
Author:  PinSniper [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:12 pm ]
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I know HR 4477 is new legislation, is it anti-gun legislation? My extremely loose understanding is that it requires agencies to provide feds with the information they should have to make NICS work (ie. deny people guns that are not meant to be sold guns as per the background check)?

Now, I am against NICS, but that's a fight for another day. Is a broken NICS better than what we have now or am I missing something?

IMHO, the Navy failing to tell the feds about that psycho in Texas was a big fuck up.

Are they also sneaking in a waiting period aspect to NICS, as in no-go if 3 days elapses?
Author:  PinSniper [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:23 pm ]
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OK, here is the full text of HR4477.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /4477/text

It doesn't prohibit anything or anyone that isn't currently prohibited. It does not even enhance the reporting requirements already required. What it does is it specifies how the effectiveness of NICS is to be monitored and who will be punished (Federal workers) if it is deemed going badly. There is also the commission for the study of how often bump stocks are used in a crime.

I'm a no-compromise guy, but I see no restrictions in HR4477.
Author:  lamrith [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:08 pm ]
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PinSniper wrote:
OK, here is the full text of HR4477.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /4477/text

It doesn't prohibit anything or anyone that isn't currently prohibited. It does not even enhance the reporting requirements already required. What it does is it specifies how the effectiveness of NICS is to be monitored and who will be punished (Federal workers) if it is deemed going badly. There is also the commission for the study of how often bump stocks are used in a crime.

I'm a no-compromise guy, but I see no restrictions in HR4477.

I skimmed thru that an agree I see nothing alarming. However I am also seeing stuff popping up in other places saying that that is not the full text of the bill and that large portions are being kept out of public view. and/or that there is another parallel bill drafted by Fienstien that has deeper reasons for concern...

I am still seeing people say that if you are given certain medications you can get prohibited, need financial help, etc, etc.. So what is the truth?
Author:  PMB [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:27 pm ]
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lamrith wrote:
PinSniper wrote:
OK, here is the full text of HR4477.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /4477/text

It doesn't prohibit anything or anyone that isn't currently prohibited. It does not even enhance the reporting requirements already required. What it does is it specifies how the effectiveness of NICS is to be monitored and who will be punished (Federal workers) if it is deemed going badly. There is also the commission for the study of how often bump stocks are used in a crime.

I'm a no-compromise guy, but I see no restrictions in HR4477.

I skimmed thru that an agree I see nothing alarming. However I am also seeing stuff popping up in other places saying that that is not the full text of the bill and that large portions are being kept out of public view. and/or that there is another parallel bill drafted by Fienstien that has deeper reasons for concern...

I am still seeing people say that if you are given certain medications you can get prohibited, need financial help, etc, etc.. So what is the truth?

I have heard the same- maybe this is the FUD that Sporkboy mentioned in the CA ammo thread.
It is easy to believe that this is a Trojan Horse because of the authors and their history. When I think of the unmentionable DF, nothing about reasonable comes to mind.
Author:  lamrith [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:31 pm ]
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PMB wrote:
lamrith wrote:
PinSniper wrote:
OK, here is the full text of HR4477.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /4477/text

It doesn't prohibit anything or anyone that isn't currently prohibited. It does not even enhance the reporting requirements already required. What it does is it specifies how the effectiveness of NICS is to be monitored and who will be punished (Federal workers) if it is deemed going badly. There is also the commission for the study of how often bump stocks are used in a crime.

I'm a no-compromise guy, but I see no restrictions in HR4477.

I skimmed thru that an agree I see nothing alarming. However I am also seeing stuff popping up in other places saying that that is not the full text of the bill and that large portions are being kept out of public view. and/or that there is another parallel bill drafted by Fienstien that has deeper reasons for concern...

I am still seeing people say that if you are given certain medications you can get prohibited, need financial help, etc, etc.. So what is the truth?

I have heard the same- maybe this is the FUD that Sporkboy mentioned in the CA ammo thread.
It is easy to believe that this is a Trojan Horse because of the authors and their history. When I think of the unmentionable DF, nothing about reasonable comes to mind.

I completely agree in regards to the co-authors past. However not a single person yet has been able to show me in the bill where it says anything about expanding any agencies ability to add people to the list or that a Dr can arbitrarily have you added to the list without due process. It is all heresay, this senator said xyz, this youtube blogger said this.....

Do I like more laws NO, but what I read of this bill is that it aims to strengthen(hopefully make work better) a system we all know to be flawed.
Author:  Guns4Liberty [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:55 pm ]
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Remember guys, we have to pass it to see what's in it. :peep:
Author:  danoh [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:08 am ]
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My email box is overheating, due to this bill combining thing. Even the "gun control" perps hate it.

Wonder what's really going on.
Author:  lamrith [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:30 am ]
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danoh wrote:
My email box is overheating, due to this bill combining thing. Even the "gun control" perps hate it.

Wonder what's really going on.

I completely agree. Anti gun folks are claiming to hate the merger and that it will not pass being merged, pro gun hate it and say we should not pass it. So if both side claim to hate it, then why did they join them and what is the truth?

I keep hearing about getting prohibited by a medical DR or traffic tickets, but I have not seen anything in either Fix Nics bill that says anything about expanding who can add people to anything, only provisions to hold agencies accountable....? If someone has verbage that alludes to that please share it with everyone. Anytime I have asked people to point me to where it may allow that I get no response or get a "Feinstien supports it so it has to be bad".
Author:  Spooler41 [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:46 am ]
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My feeling each of these Bills need to stand alone and be voted upon separately.
Author:  deadshot2 [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:19 pm ]
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PinSniper wrote:

Are they also sneaking in a waiting period aspect to NICS, as in no-go if 3 days elapses?


From what I've heard and read the 3 day proceed feature won't change, the bill is supposed to motivate the FBI to allocate more resources in order to make it possible to get the job done in 3 days. Best way to motivate a bureaucrat to do their job is to take away their bonuses if they don't do their job.

What's interesting is the number of FFL's that won't finish the sale until they get a "proceed notice" regardless of the 3 day period. Beats having to send ATF agents out to try and recover the firearms delivered to prohibited people although that would also be a good time to cuff em for lying on their 4473.


If the law does pass people will still have to be careful. Yes the states will have to honor the permit but local laws will still hold sway on HOW and WHAT you can carry. Some states don't allow for loaded carry, some do. What about the ban on magazines over 10 rounds. Guess that means I can only carry my shield when in CA. Then there's NJ and their ban on HP's.

It would behoove any traveler that's packing with his permit honored everywhere to have a list of every state's laws regarding HOW and WHERE carry is allowed. You have to follow THEIR rules, not those from the State issuing the permit. Expect to be harassed by law enforcement in States that just had reciprocity jammed down their throats.
Author:  GeekWithGuns [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:22 pm ]
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Unfortunately reciprocity will be DOA in the Senate due to an inability to find the necessary 60 votes to force cloture and move the bill to a floor vote. In most scenarios this should have the effect of killing both reciprocity and Fix NICS for this session.

The only way I can see reciprocity or the SHARE act / suppressor deregulation passing the Senate is if the Republican leadership rewrites the Senate procedure rules to eliminate the filibuster on legislation. Not seeing that happening anytime soon.

So unless the 2018 midterms result in a net pickup of 9 or 10 seats in the Senate for Team Red then nothing that passes in the House will matter much.
Author:  GeekWithGuns [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:17 pm ]
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Reciprocity passed in the US House by a vote of 231-198. All but six Democrats voted against
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/06/house-passes-gun-reciprocity-faces-challenge-in-senate-from-dems-and-gun-control-advocates.html

Now on to the Senate where it faces an all but certain filibuster by the statist faction along with deep pocketed opposition by Bloomberg and Giffords. This is going to be an uphill battle.
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