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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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 Re: Reloading bench setup..
Screw the scale! I know the next item I need.... A clock! Gonna be a tough morning. I cleaned and degreased everything according to the video. Got started on the decap and size thinking I would just get a few going... well 3 hours later and Its freakin 1:30!! Oh well. It was fun and I ended up with a bucket of sized and primed brass (maybe 30) and 4 good dummy rounds... CLEARLY MARKED and SEPARATED!! I need to confirm my OAL for a 115g bullet as the number in my head was for Madpicks 124g bullet. Still the practice was still fresh, so thanks again for that. Next hurdle is the powder setup. I still need a scale and powder. Eventually I also plan to get the RCBS powder lockout die, but it seems no one actually stocks them. I plan to hit up that countyline shooting sports shop in mackenna. They were really well stocked for a reloader.
Only small issue I had was the shells didnt seem to be exactly perpendicular to the dies. At first they would sorta catch going into the sizer and once in a while I could feel the primer catch going in. Maybe its break in, or just the way it is. I'll snap some pictures tomorrow when I tackle the powder setup. Steve, want me to put some black paper around the tube so it looks like your powder drop?
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:44 am |
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MadPick
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Real Name: Steve
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 am Posts: 8689 Location: Renton, WA
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olydemon wrote: Screw the scale! I know the next item I need.... A clock!  Gotta be careful about that, for sure! Regarding the cases "catching" as they enter the dies, it's probably because the shellplate is not rotating to exactly the right location; it's either advancing too far, or not far enough. Slowly raise an empty case up to the resizing die, then look at where it's hitting the die. Do you need to push the case either forward or back a bit to make it line up? If so, then you need to adjust the pawls, which are the two little steel pieces down near the bottom of the handle. One causes the shellplate to advance when you lower the handle, and one causes it to advance when you raise the handle. If your problem is die alignment such as the sizing die, then the misadjustment is in the pawl that advances it when the handle is lowered. If your problem is alignment with the primer seating punch, then the misadjustment is in the pawl that advances it when the handle is raised. Adjust one or both as needed. To get more shellplate advancement, back out the pawl set screw so that the pawl raises. To get less advancement, tighten the screw. CAUTION: Do this adjustment a little at a time! And I mean VERY LITTLE! Just barely move the screw, then try it again. It won't take much, and if you adjust it too far then you can get things pretty well jammed up down at the bottom of the press there . . . .
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:42 am |
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Massivedesign
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Real Name: Dan
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:02 am Posts: 15062 Location: Olympia, WA
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 Re: Reloading bench setup..
Oly,
When I first got into reloading, Steve loaned me a ABC guide to reloading book. If it's okay with Steve, I can pass it on to you? has some great information. Not really load wise, but great info nonetheless.
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:47 am |
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MadPick
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Real Name: Steve
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 am Posts: 8689 Location: Renton, WA
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Massivedesign wrote: Oly,
When I first got into reloading, Steve loaned me a ABC guide to reloading book. If it's okay with Steve, I can pass it on to you? has some great information. Not really load wise, but great info nonetheless. Do it. It has lots of pictures, it will be perfect for olydemon. 
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:12 am |
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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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Massivedesign wrote: Oly,
When I first got into reloading, Steve loaned me a ABC guide to reloading book. If it's okay with Steve, I can pass it on to you? has some great information. Not really load wise, but great info nonetheless. Thanks for the offer, but I already have it. I looked at the picturs. 
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:58 am |
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Massivedesign
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Real Name: Dan
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:02 am Posts: 15062 Location: Olympia, WA
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 Re: Reloading bench setup..
Did I already give it to you? lol.
_________________Dan aka massivedesign MadPick wrote: It's interesting that our president trusts North Korea with nukes, but doesn't trust me with a 30-round magazine.
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:01 am |
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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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Massivedesign wrote: Did I already give it to you? lol. Haha, no.. I was part of my ramp up to get informed before I cracked the press box open....
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:38 am |
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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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MadPick wrote: olydemon wrote: Screw the scale! I know the next item I need.... A clock!  Gotta be careful about that, for sure! Regarding the cases "catching" as they enter the dies, it's probably because the shellplate is not rotating to exactly the right location; it's either advancing too far, or not far enough. Slowly raise an empty case up to the resizing die, then look at where it's hitting the die. Do you need to push the case either forward or back a bit to make it line up? If so, then you need to adjust the pawls, which are the two little steel pieces down near the bottom of the handle. One causes the shellplate to advance when you lower the handle, and one causes it to advance when you raise the handle. If your problem is die alignment such as the sizing die, then the misadjustment is in the pawl that advances it when the handle is lowered. If your problem is alignment with the primer seating punch, then the misadjustment is in the pawl that advances it when the handle is raised. Adjust one or both as needed. To get more shellplate advancement, back out the pawl set screw so that the pawl raises. To get less advancement, tighten the screw. CAUTION: Do this adjustment a little at a time! And I mean VERY LITTLE! Just barely move the screw, then try it again. It won't take much, and if you adjust it too far then you can get things pretty well jammed up down at the bottom of the press there . . . . Thanks for the tips. It seemsfor the priming hang up I could have a slight over advance. I can look into that pawl adjust you mentioned. It seems my case feed issue though might be different. the case isnt perpendicular to the die so it hangs up as its going in (shell plate not parallel to the dies). I took some photos and video I'll post later. I also used a depth caliper to measure the distance from station 1 from the top of the LNL adapter to the shell plate and main press frame. I also did this in station 4. I found that the distance was off by around .02" making the plate canted with station 1 being lower than station 4. I did a rough CAD drawing and with a 4" diameter circle comparing the bottom to the top at that angle about 6" apart the top die is about .03" out of alignment. This is about what I saw in my initial setup. The case goes in with a real slow quick up/down to make sure its engaged.
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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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Ok, a couple photos. Straight down over station 1. Looks pretty well aligned for position around the circle.  Underneath at station one showing the misalignment. Shot from the front a little. There is a clear tilt you can see when engaged at this point. It does go in, but it hangs a little.  I may have found my Primer issue. It looks like I have the Large pistol shuttle installed...  It was late and I guess I assumed it would be shipped with the small pistol shuttle installed. I'll have to check the extra shuttle I have in the package... 
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| Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:56 am |
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MadPick
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Real Name: Steve
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 am Posts: 8689 Location: Renton, WA
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olydemon wrote: I found that the distance was off by around .02" making the plate canted with station 1 being lower than station 4. I did a rough CAD drawing and with a 4" diameter circle comparing the bottom to the top at that angle about 6" apart the top die is about .03" out of alignment. 
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justincredible3
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Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:22 am Posts: 1848 Location: Just outside the hornets nest. KOREA
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thats all fine and good... from what i noticed.....we need to go snowboarding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nostrebhtuca
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:34 pm Posts: 198 Location: Lynnwood, WA
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I had the same issue with my primer feed (I have an LnL as well that MP me with) and, as he suggested, I adjusted one of the pawls VERY little... like... a short-n-curly and now it's running like a champ.
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olydemon
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Real Name: Oly Damon
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 pm Posts: 7836 Location: Olympia, Warshington.
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MadPick wrote: olydemon wrote: I found that the distance was off by around .02" making the plate canted with station 1 being lower than station 4. I did a rough CAD drawing and with a 4" diameter circle comparing the bottom to the top at that angle about 6" apart the top die is about .03" out of alignment.  Haha.... Yea, so hornady said first thing to try was to take the retainer spring off and what do you know? It goes in pretty straight. So it was said that if that seemed to correct it I should try stretching the spring some. So I did and it seemed to help a lot. I may even stretch a little more. I cranked out a bunch of primed cases and feel pretty good. Now onto the powder....
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Massivedesign
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Real Name: Dan
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:02 am Posts: 15062 Location: Olympia, WA
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olydemon wrote: I cranked out a bunch of primed cases and feel pretty good. Now onto the powder.... You did remember to index the primers based upon the firing pin depth, right??!?
_________________Dan aka massivedesign MadPick wrote: It's interesting that our president trusts North Korea with nukes, but doesn't trust me with a 30-round magazine.
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| Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:49 am |
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MadPick
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Real Name: Steve
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 am Posts: 8689 Location: Renton, WA
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Massivedesign wrote: olydemon wrote: I cranked out a bunch of primed cases and feel pretty good. Now onto the powder.... You did remember to index the primers based upon the firing pin depth, right??!? Oly and I talked about this the other night, so I assume he did.
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