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 Practical rifle, tactical rifle, precision tactical rifle 
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The board at Upper Nisqually Sportsman's club just gave me the go ahead to do a trial run on having a practical rifle match there. This will be so they can have a look at how these matches will be run. Prior to the matches, they want to know that all participants understand safety and rules for such a match. They also want to keep this first "demo" match small, so there will be 9 other people in addition to myself.

On Saturday April 21st, there will be an orientation at Upper Nisqually sportsman's club for people who want to shoot in a match. Part of the deal with the club is that we supply our own supplies. As time goes on, we will use match fees ($15) to buy supplies. To begin with though, participants will each need to supply at least 3 steel targets for us to shoot on, or a timer we can use (probably no more than 2 timers). SHOOTERS WILL RETAIN OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION OF THEIR STEEL between matches. That way the amount of steel available is directly proportional to how many shooters we have.

Like I said, this is a trial run, and once the orientation is a one time requirement for all participants. There is no cost for the orientation, and it is first come first serve. If you want to participate, please send me an email, and I'll keep a record of who to expect.

One of the things I used to get the club to allow us to start up this group was to make a proposal that had no financial impact on the club. Hence the need for us to supply our own targets. Once the group gets some money left from entry fees, we can start buying targets to enhance supply. The cheapest steel I have found was through JCsteeltargets that I found on snipershide. They have targets as cheap as $13 each, then you build your own stands or hangers..also cheap and easily done with 2x4's and a piece 3/4 inch pipe.


Very Cool!!

Glad you got something going!! thumbsup

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Good work getting something going...

I dug up their website link for anyone unfamiliar with the club and its location.

http://www.uppernisquallysportsmanclub.com/

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I got a call from Upper Nisqually last evening. They had a conflict, and are changing my range date. The good part is that they are going to give me a date that will also include some range time so we can shoot as part of the orientation.

I'll post the new date as soon as I receive the confirmation from them.


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The Board at Upper Nisqually gave me approval to run a test match on Saturday, 16 June starting at 8 AM. The required safety orientation, and explanation of rules will be held on Friday 15 June starting at 3 PM. There is no cost for the orientation. The first match has been limited to ten (10) shooters so the board can see how matches will run. First come, first served.

As this discipline is just starting out, we need to supply our own steel and timers. Shooters need to bring either 3 pieces of steel (and hangers) and we will need only one shot timer that will suffice to take place for the pieces of steel. JCsteeltargets has steel as cheap as $13 per piece. Shooters take their steel home with them after the match is over.

Some cell phones can download a shot timer app..but we only need one timer. Over time, the discipline will buy up it's own timers and steel, but for now, we have to supply our own gear.

I'll save up questions sent via PM for a few days, then answer them all in one posting.


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I just got a generous offer from someone who will loan me 12 more pieces of steel for the match. So now I will have enough extra steel to bring on board 4 shooters who don't have steel, but who would like to shoot anyhow. I suspect that these 4 slots will fill up fast, so please let me know if anyone wants one of those 4 slots.

Entry fee for the match is $20 regardless of whether you are a club member or not.


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Previously, I had gotten the impression that there was great interest in more practical rifle shooting in this area. However, after getting a match scheduled, I find a very low response rate. So, I'm trying to figure out if the low response is due to a general lack of interest, scheduling conflicts, distance to the match site, or what the problem is.

If the issue is the time for the orientation and I were to approach the board and request an additional time slot for the orientation, which time slot would people be more likely to attend?

1. weekend slot from 9am to 1pm
2. weekday slot from 4pm to 8pm

Obviously, regardless of when I schedule anything, there will be a conflict for someone. I'm just trying to figure out which time slots would work out best for the orientation.


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You do have to understand that interest and actually showing up are two different subject matters.

There is a high interest as its new and unknown. But that also goes to the flip side as it is so new and unknown.

For these events if you go too overboard then you are just setting yourself up for failure and/or disappointment.

I started doing my shoots some years back and I knew it would take awhile for it to catch on. Not everyone will have the gear nor skill nor knowledge to go.

I would just say go out with what you have and grow the sport. As more shooters tell other shooters and so forth it'll grow.

It takes time sometimes unless you are filling a demand by shooters. As you are well aware you are trying to fill a gap not a demand.

So maybe a better option is to take a core of folks and do a shoot and maybe am intro and start getting the word out first.

But I hear the frustration which will not improve your situation. You can only change you. So with that look and see what you can change to make it better and more appealing for your "target" audience of shooters.

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Old Kim,
Thanks for the response. You are right about interest versus actually showing up. I have been doing this kind of shooting since the early 1980's, so it is anything but new to me. The club where I used to shoot had a very active group that regularly drew between 50-75 shooters per match. On really lousy weather days, the attendance would fall off to around 40 or so.

I don't have any problem waiting to see if the interest vocalized on the many tactical, practical, precision type of shooting web boards is true interest or just more arm chair ninja posturing. I suspect that there is a great deal of posing, but to actually go out and attempt it may be too intimidating for lots of people.

I don't mind if only a few people show up for a match as it will give those who do show up more runs on the course, and after all, they came out to shoot, so it would be great practice.

In any case, thanks for the thoughts..I have plenty of patience, ammo, and time.


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Genin wrote:
Previously, I had gotten the impression that there was great interest in more practical rifle shooting in this area. However, after getting a match scheduled, I find a very low response rate. So, I'm trying to figure out if the low response is due to a general lack of interest, scheduling conflicts, distance to the match site, or what the problem is.

If the issue is the time for the orientation and I were to approach the board and request an additional time slot for the orientation, which time slot would people be more likely to attend?

1. weekend slot from 9am to 1pm
2. weekday slot from 4pm to 8pm

Obviously, regardless of when I schedule anything, there will be a conflict for someone. I'm just trying to figure out which time slots would work out best for the orientation.



I agree with Oldkim on the interest vs commitment and actually showing up.

My experience is on this and any other local gun forum there is very few people who want to compete in a firearms match (compared to the overall number of forum members). On this forum, I know about maybe 5-6 people who compete on a regular basis (at least once a month) in pistol competitions, IDPA, USPSA, Steel. There are several others that have competed or do compete once in a while but I think that number is pretty small too. I compete on a regular basis at many pistol matches a month. I also help out at most of the matches too. Set up, SO'ing, Stats, MD, when you get involved at those levels you get to know most of the regulars that come to each match. At the matches a lot of people know me by my videos too. So thats how I figure there are not many match "regulars" here or on the other local forums.

I think you might get more interest and more commitment if you post up the info on the competition oriented local forums. Those forums have 99% of the members that shoot in competitions, pistol and rifle. The only 2 I know about are the USPSA Northwest Section forum http://northwestsection.org/forum/ not very active at all but everyone there does shoot in competition and http://www.nwppaonline.org very active but more based to IDPA but lots of USPSA and Tac Rifle shooters there too.

One other thing in your favor right now is that the Tactical Rifle matches at Renton Fish & Game are now canceled. They may start again but it will be a while if they do. They people that shot that match will probably happily support your match. You may want to cantact Albert again, he could get the word out to his shooters that used to shoot at the Renton match.


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A tentative match description is posted on Snipershide under the member link up section's SHWW (Snipers Hide Western Washington) section.

Thanks for the input folks. No surprises there, I expected that most forum members are just "doing research" and are not actually participants. Eventually, word will get around.


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Sorry If I missed it, but what are the rough round counts, divisions, gear allowed? Me and a few buddies may be interested (regulars at Custer Tac-Rifle)

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(regulars at Custer Tac-Rifle)


And lots of other places.... :bigsmile:

Good to see you here!!!

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dmonwai wrote:
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(regulars at Custer Tac-Rifle)


And lots of other places.... :bigsmile:

Good to see you here!!!


Ive been a member for a bit, just been shy.

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tugtug wrote:
dmonwai wrote:
tugtug wrote:
(regulars at Custer Tac-Rifle)


And lots of other places.... :bigsmile:

Good to see you here!!!


Ive been a member for a bit, just been shy.


welcome and dont be shy we dont bit (well drew does a bit) :bigsmile:

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Minimum round count is around 50-60, you will probably shoot at least 75...most courses limit shooters to no more than 3 attempts to hit a plate, and there is a 180 or 120 second time limit. So conceivably, if you hit every target on about the 3rd try, you could run through 150-180 rounds, but you would probably run out of time before then..

We aren't using IPSC rules or scoring..this is run differently where accuracy is rewarded over speed. As the match is all steel, there isn't any power factoring.

On stage 1, you get diminishing points if you don't hit on the first shot. As follows:
100 yards, 5,3,1 points
200 yards, 7,5,3 points
300 yards, 9.7.5 points

There are other rules that are quite different than IDPA/IPSC. All will be explained in detail at the orientation.
Those who do well with IPSC/IDPA, won't have any issues adapting to the different rules. The entire program is designed to reward people who have good gun handling skills (efficiency), and marksmanship. Those who try to blaze away really fast will find that their failure to hit with the first shot costs them too many points. As a result, they will slow down and start getting lots more first round hits. The neat thing is that they will then have both the speed, and the ability to know when to slow down in order to get a first round hit. That often negates the need for the extra shots that are so often taken in straight palladin, or score divided by time type scoring systems.

The match outline is posted over on the Snipershide website under the Member link up section. Go to the SHWW group (Sniper's Hide Western Washington) to look at the outline.


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