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Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:12 pm
While the general consensus among the liberty minded hoi polloi has been that concealed carry reciprocity has been a long time coming and overdue, some discussion has also been going around that maybe it's a bit of a knee jerk idea. To put the feds in charge of concealed carry reciprocity leaves an avenue open for various infringements in the future, and obviously certain states have no limits to their own infringements.
What are the ways to prevent these sort of potential infringements, yet still get reciprocity? We should always assume that government looks to increase its own power and reduce ours, so a long term view is obviously important.
What are the ways to prevent these sort of potential infringements, yet still get reciprocity? We should always assume that government looks to increase its own power and reduce ours, so a long term view is obviously important.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:27 pm
A marriage in one state is legal in all others and the federal government didn't have to get involved. Just make it the same.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:47 pm
lots of stuff that is recognized from state to state that is issued at the state level. Some of our elected think they know whats best for us and will save the world by not allowing this type of simple logic to come to pass for firearms
I hope im wrong and its a sound plan that appeals to the new president and his cabinet, maybe they can make it happen?????
I hope im wrong and its a sound plan that appeals to the new president and his cabinet, maybe they can make it happen?????
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:57 pm
BadKarma wrote:A marriage in one state is legal in all others and the federal government didn't have to get involved. Just make it the same.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:14 pm
what part of shall not be infringed don't these fuckwits understand?
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:12 am
I have a question that relates to this. I'm a noob. Please be gentle with me. My understanding is that there are states who won't recognize a WA CPL because we don't require training. Texas, for example, does. Now - we are a "blue" state so I would have figured it would be much harder here than in super-red Texas. Why don't we require training?
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Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:35 am
BadKarma wrote:A marriage in one state is legal in all others and the federal government didn't have to get involved. Just make it the same
Obergefell v. Hodges
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:18 pm
kf7mjf wrote:BadKarma wrote:A marriage in one state is legal in all others and the federal government didn't have to get involved. Just make it the same
Obergefell v. Hodges
That would be incredible to use a case touted by the left to further the cause of freedom. I've heard rumblings about the possibility, but haven't seen anything more.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:52 pm
As if it didn't already promote freedom? My point was the feds did have to step in to force states to recognize some marriages.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:08 pm
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:18 pm
Benja455 wrote:http://m.dailykos.com/story/2010/7/4/881431/-
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Why Liberals should love the 2A...
This has been one of my favorite sources to refer 2A-fearful folks towards.
Excellent link sir.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:44 pm
kf7mjf wrote:As if it didn't already promote freedom? My point was the feds did have to step in to force states to recognize some marriages.
As they would if cpl's were made nationally recognized. You know damned well hawaii commiefornia and New York would fight the hell out of it.
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:03 pm
Soldier_Citizen wrote:kf7mjf wrote:As if it didn't already promote freedom? My point was the feds did have to step in to force states to recognize some marriages.
As they would if cpl's were made nationally recognized. You know damned well hawaii commiefornia and New York would fight the hell out of it.
Conservatives understandably don't like the idea of using a constitutionally vague (meaning can be overturned in the future) to something that is clearly spelled out in the constitution. On the other hand, the tenth and other amendments, for some reason, wound up allowing (or it was never challenged properly) states to infringe.
That said, what makes any of us think that a "permit" isn't an infringement on its own?
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:07 pm
It is an infringement
Re: Concealed carry reciprocity in the long term
Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:24 pm
Soldier_Citizen wrote:kf7mjf wrote:As if it didn't already promote freedom? My point was the feds did have to step in to force states to recognize some marriages.
As they would if cpl's were made nationally recognized. You know damned well hawaii commiefornia and New York would fight the hell out of it.
You didn't think it would be easy did you? Look at the trouble over marriage.