Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:09 pm
Jonathan Brown wrote:Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)
So, you wasted your vote. Understtod. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:24 pm
Guns4Liberty wrote:Jonathan Brown wrote:Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)
So, you wasted your vote. Understtod. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.
Hillary won WA, so it would appear you did, too. But yes, that's not relevant to the topic. Glad you are catching on!
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yeah man I'm shocked that jet didn't rip apart in those super mega extreme 15g maneuvers!!!!leadcounsel wrote:mislabeled wrote:snozzberries wrote:I think it's both hilarious and awesome. Yes they should get in trouble, but nothing serious. Can't have people doing this all the time.
Exactly this. If ask people to be fighters and to be willing to kill another human being in battle, we can't ask them to be milquetoasts every other day. That's some expert-level risk taking, if you ask me. Zero danger to anyone but the pilot.
Risk to himself
Risk to very expensive military hardware - himself and the aircraft
Risk to other aircraft perhaps
Risk to anyone on the ground if the plane breaks up or crashes
Yeah, I get it. I'm not being a stick in the mud.
It's like walking into a professional room and telling racist or sexist joke. Nobody really gets hurt but it's in extremely poor taste and unprofessional. You just can't do those things.
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:58 pm
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Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 pm
Jonathan Brown wrote:Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)
So, you wasted your vote. Understood. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.
Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:05 am
Nitrosteve wrote:LC,
I don't often agree with your comments or perspectives, but can appreciate a thorough debate! I will offer a little more insight to your earlier post:
Risk to himself-
There is inherent risk to anything. But in this case, you seem to portray that there was a heightened risk in this event. No, these are standard maneuvers that can be flown in any general aviation aircraft. Look over the Lake Tapps area on any sunny day. There are numerous flight schools doing similar maneuvers (minus the contrails and fancy design!) training flight students. I hardly think that the operating envelope was close to being exceeded for the F-18 or any other high performance military jet. Admittedly, there is far greater risk in other mission profiles.
Risk to very expensive military hardware - himself and the aircraft. See above.
Risk to other aircraft perhaps-
Perhaps not. The aircraft was in a designated area of special use airspace. Allows for high speed and maneuvering flight. See Military Operations Area- Okanogan MOA A.
Risk to anyone on the ground if the plane breaks up or crashes-
Any machine can break and crash. I would offer that this profile over a rural area of WA in the mountains at 9,000-18,000 feet Mean Sea Level is far safer than the Blue Angels summer performance over Seattle and Lake Washington.
Yeah, I get it. I'm not being a stick in the mud-
I would disagree! There will be an investigation as usual and the command will impose the level of punishment that they see fit. I have read a few of your previous message threads and quite clear that you have a strong disdain for military members screwing up.
It's like walking into a professional room and telling racist or sexist joke. Nobody really gets hurt but it's in extremely poor taste and unprofessional. You just can't do those things-
It is clearly not right, but it happened. In non professional settings, off color jokes will continue to be told and I will continue to laugh at the good ones. Even the one liners on this thread are hilarious! Lastly, I commonly see far worse behavior in downtown Tacoma and Seattle that I would have a more difficult time explaining to young children than the skywriting event.
"The actions of this aircrew were wholly unacceptable and antithetical to Navy core values. We have grounded the aircrew and are conducting a thorough investigation - and we will hold those responsible accountable for their actions," the Navy told Fox News in a statement.
Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:21 am
Nitrosteve wrote:A mother who lives in Okanogan who took pictures of the drawings reached out to KREM 2 to complain about the images, saying she was upset she might have to explain to her young children what the drawings were.
In a statement to KREM 2 News navy officials said, "The Navy holds its aircrew to the highest standards and we find this absolutely unacceptable, of zero training value and we are holding the crew accountable."
KREM 2 spoke to the Federal Aviation Administration to get some information about who may have made the drawings. FAA officials said unless the act poses a safety risk, there is nothing they can do about. The official said they "cannot police morality."
Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:29 am
Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:07 pm
AR15L wrote:And the Blue Angels don't take risks?
With wing tips 12" away from each other... that seems just a little risky to me.
Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:22 am