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Site Admin   Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38310 Real Name: Dan 
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AR15L wrote: Pfft.. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. $5.2k? HA! Here is one that shows it's only worth less than $500...  Ease up on the tinfoil fellas. |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:29 am |
 
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Site Supporter   Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6217
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Income per day: $2.00.
 Yeah Steve and Dan made a killing! |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:42 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28191 Real Name: Ace Winky
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Massivedesign wrote: jukk0u wrote: BTW: There were other parties interested in the purchase and continuation of SGN; interest of which you were well aware. Still, the decision to sell was Norm's decision and it is curious why he didn't seek to market the site for sale and instead took your offer without fielding others (or maybe he did entertain other offers. since he was so tight-lipped we who hadn't spoken to him shall never know) Norm WANTED SGN to close down, he wanted it to be done. There is nothing business about it for us. SGN wasn't a competitor, we didn't need their brand or any of their property. Norm chose US as trustees of the site. Don't be upset with us for the choices Norm made as we had zero control over that. As trustees, we will follow Norm's wishes on the site. Don't, for one second, think there was anything nefarious happening here. There wasn't. As Steve mentioned, it was only AFTER Norm made the decision to close SGN, did we (I actually) mentioned it to Norm in a conversation we were already having, about back pain management. That has been my take on this the whole time. Seems like anything else is a twist. _________________ Why does the Penguin in Batman sound like a duck? Because the eagle sounds like a hawk. |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:55 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 12990
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Norm was not the most user friendly site owner on the planet.
I am grateful for the fact that he was antisocial - he banned me, I joined WaGuns, and the rest is history. If Norm had been a Dan or Steve, Seattle Guns would have 100,000 members, their own 1000 yard range, a cake bakery, and a brewery. Norm finally got the website he wanted - easy care, easy maintenance, and no pesky members to bark at. _________________ Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Give a man a fishing pole, and he will drink too much beer, get tangled in fish line, hook himself in the nose casting, fall overboard, and either drown, or, go home hungry and wet. Give a man a case of dynamite, and he will feed the whole town for a year! BE ON NOTICE: PRIVACY NOTICE: Warning - any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/or the comments made about my photos or any other "picture" art posted on my profile. You are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, disseminating, or taking any other action against me with regard to this profile and the contents herein. The foregoing prohibitions also apply to your employee, agent, student or any personnel under your direction or control. The contents of this profile are PRIVATE and legally privileged and confidential information, and the violation of my personal privacy is punishable by law. UCC 1-103 1-308 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WITHOUT PREJUDICE |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:08 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21297 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Massivedesign wrote: jukk0u wrote: BTW: There were other parties interested in the purchase and continuation of SGN; interest of which you were well aware. Still, the decision to sell was Norm's decision and it is curious why he didn't seek to market the site for sale and instead took your offer without fielding others (or maybe he did entertain other offers. since he was so tight-lipped we who hadn't spoken to him shall never know) Norm WANTED SGN to close down, he wanted it to be done. There is nothing business about it for us. SGN wasn't a competitor, we didn't need their brand or any of their property. Norm chose US as trustees of the site. Don't be upset with us for the choices Norm made as we had zero control over that. As trustees, we will follow Norm's wishes on the site. Don't, for one second, think there was anything nefarious happening here. There wasn't. As Steve mentioned, it was only AFTER Norm made the decision to close SGN, did we (I actually) mentioned it to Norm in a conversation we were already having, about back pain management. Please don't infer anger, resentment or anything like that. I'm not upset. Other than extremely curious and puzzled I'm pretty much emotionally neutral... maybe consternated about why would simply shut down the site rather than selling it off to someone who WOULD continue it. If SGN wasn't your competition, why pursue purchase and NOT operate the entity when you knew others were interested in doing so? Why would Norm SELL it to you, if he wanted it to just shut down? There's more to this than meets the eye. Inquiring minds want to know. Just saying what I saw. And as I stated, I recognize that the decision was Norm's to make. I also acknowledged that there is no way for us, who weren't in communication with him, to know his motivations. _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:52 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21297 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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RENCORP wrote: Norm was not the most user friendly site owner on the planet. I am grateful for the fact that he was antisocial - he banned me, I joined WaGuns, and the rest is history. If Norm had been a Dan or Steve, Seattle Guns would have 100,000 members, their own 1000 yard range, a cake bakery, and a brewery. Norm finally got the website he wanted - easy care, easy maintenance, and no pesky members to bark at. Wait a second... 1,000 yard range? Cake Bakery and brewery? Are there perks to membership that you guys haven't been telling me about? _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:55 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771 Real Name: John
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jukk0u wrote: RENCORP wrote: Norm was not the most user friendly site owner on the planet. I am grateful for the fact that he was antisocial - he banned me, I joined WaGuns, and the rest is history. If Norm had been a Dan or Steve, Seattle Guns would have 100,000 members, their own 1000 yard range, a cake bakery, and a brewery. Norm finally got the website he wanted - easy care, easy maintenance, and no pesky members to bark at. Wait a second... 1,000 yard range? Cake Bakery and brewery? Are there perks to membership that you guys haven't been telling me about? Shhhhhhhh! If you needed to know, you would have known.  _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:59 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Kirkland Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 Posts: 820 Real Name: Shawn
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jukk0u wrote: Please don't infer anger, resentment or anything like that. I'm not upset. Other than extremely curious and puzzled I'm pretty much emotionally neutral... maybe consternated about why would simply shut down the site rather than selling it off to someone who WOULD continue it. If SGN wasn't your competition, why pursue purchase and NOT operate the entity when you knew others were interested in doing so? Why would Norm SELL it to you, if he wanted it to just shut down? There's more to this than meets the eye. Inquiring minds want to know. Just saying what I saw. And as I stated, I recognize that the decision was Norm's to make. I also acknowledged that there is no way for us, who weren't in communication with him, to know his motivations.  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by MyNameIs940 on Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:05 am, edited 1 time in total. |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:01 am |
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Site Supporter Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771 Real Name: John
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I bought this domain name to keep it out of the hands of the Anti's. It's supposedly worth 1678.00 https://www.godaddy.com/domain-value-ap ... SEFIRE.COM No Anti's, it's not for sale.  _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:04 am |
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Site Admin Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38310 Real Name: Dan
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jukk0u wrote: .....rather than selling it off to someone who WOULD continue it. He wasn't going to sell it to ANYBODY. He was going to just let it die.. Period. Pull the plug and let it fade away when the domain expired. The other offers he got, he wasn't interested in them, he had ZERO desire to keep the site going, or to let it continue. jukk0u wrote: If SGN wasn't your competition, why pursue purchase and NOT operate the entity when you knew others were interested in doing so? Why would Norm SELL it to you, if he wanted it to just shut down? He sold it to us BECAUSE he shut it down. As I said above, he didn't want SGN to continue, so be it, his wishes. What WE GOT out of the deal was a couple of vBulletin licenses for us to mock up WaGuns on and play with other technology in a vacuum that won't effect the main coding here. To us, that was worth the small tithing we paid Norm to take over the domain and vB's after he shut it down. Anything else we need to explain or disclose to you, or are you now convinced that things were done honorably and above reproach? |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:19 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21297 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Massivedesign wrote: jukk0u wrote: .....rather than selling it off to someone who WOULD continue it. He wasn't going to sell it to ANYBODY. He was going to just let it die.. Period. Pull the plug and let it fade away when the domain expired. The other offers he got, he wasn't interested in them, he had ZERO desire to keep the site going, or to let it continue. jukk0u wrote: If SGN wasn't your competition, why pursue purchase and NOT operate the entity when you knew others were interested in doing so? Why would Norm SELL it to you, if he wanted it to just shut down? He sold it to us BECAUSE he shut it down. As I said above, he didn't want SGN to continue, so be it, his wishes. What WE GOT out of the deal was a couple of vBulletin licenses for us to mock up WaGuns on and play with other technology in a vacuum that won't effect the main coding here. To us, that was worth the small tithing we paid Norm to take over the domain and vB's after he shut it down. Anything else we need to explain or disclose to you, or are you now convinced that things were done honorably and above reproach? FFS, why are you all taking this as an insult? I see it as you made some business decisions. You got referrals, and, as you just explained, some ability to try out new strategies in a manner that doesn't affect your ongoing operation until the bugs are worked out. Cool. So, yes, thank you, that does explain why YOU got the site and chose not to operate it and offers a fresh perspective on your business decision. But it still does little to answer the lingering question, which I will state yet AGAIN: Why would Norm would NOT sell it to someone who would rejuvenate and continue the site... (and probably pay more than the "small tithing") See how I phrase that? Why would NORM not sell it to someone who would continue the site. (Is that enough times to get it across? And his decision is yet another business decision which is now perhaps best explained by the now exposed "tithing"... but was that the most lucrative return he could have generated? Dunno. Money aside, why would he be so intent on seeing it close altogether? THAT is the major skullfuck that is impossible to understand. _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:47 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Spanaway WA Joined: Wed Jul 6, 2011 Posts: 6314 Real Name: Hugo Stiglitz
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Here is how I see it, who cares?????????????
Seeing that SGN is now owned by Dan & Steve (possibly other people who I don't know) I could make a solid prediction and say that things can and will move forward in a very positive, 2A friendly manner and I am soley basing my opinion on what I see the Mods/Admins doing on a daily basis on here. Last edited by zombie66 on Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:14 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:12 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771 Real Name: John
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Only Norm can explain all that, and he wasn't talking jukkOu.
I'd let it be if I was you. _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:13 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21297 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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usrifle wrote: Only Norm can explain all that, and he wasn't talking jukkOu. I'd let it be if I was you. I've said nothing wrong. And I am rarely shy of engaging in a debate. _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:24 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771 Real Name: John
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With all this thread Crapping, we have lost the reason for it and apparently the new Member we were welcoming.
 _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
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