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dimwit13 wrote:
Guns4Liberty wrote:
Well, that shop doesn't deserve any of our money anyway. The net profits likely end up as Democrat campaign contributions, which then lead to further erosion of our gun rights.

However, as a seller, this type of policy would be my preference over the FFL holding onto my gun.


I haven't heard about Precise Shooter...What is the problem?
I have only bought a box of ammo and used them once for a transfer.

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For those that want to answer this, that's fine . . . but please keep in mind that the WaGuns Members Code of Conduct applies, so keep it factual and respectful please.

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Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:50 am
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Well this shit new law has made selling almost as bad as buying...

Actually worse.

Scenario:

I want to sell Gun X

Guy contacts me and we meet at an FFL.

Paperwork is done, no money exchanges hands , I take Gun X home and wait ten to 30 days.

In the mean time the buyer changes his mind on that certain firearm or uses the money to pay the baby sitter....Ghosts the sale.

Here I am with Gun X waiting for the ten to 30 days BGC.....no money.

1639 porks the seller more than the buyer.





And what if the Gun X is a semi auto rifle .......

And buyer says he'll take the course within ten days. Actual transfer has't happened yet so.........day eleven he says fukit....too much hassle and Ghosts the sale.

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Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:25 pm
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WaJim wrote:
Well this shit new law has made selling almost as bad as buying...

Actually worse.

Scenario:

I want to sell Gun X

Guy contacts me and we meet at an FFL.

Paperwork is done, no money exchanges hands , I take Gun X home and wait ten to 30 days.

In the mean time the buyer changes his mind on that certain firearm or uses the money to pay the baby sitter....Ghosts the sale.

Here I am with Gun X waiting for the ten to 30 days BGC.....no money.

1639 porks the seller more than the buyer.





And what if the Gun X is a semi auto rifle .......

And buyer says he'll take the course within ten days. Actual transfer has't happened yet so.........day eleven he says fukit....too much hassle and Ghosts the sale.


Get the money before the background check starts?


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You fellas act like there are no gun buyers or sellers outside WA state...

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I've got a feeling that the normal method will be:

- Buyer and seller meet at FFL. Buyer pays seller, does paperwork. Seller goes home.
- Buyer waits for proceed from FFL, goes to pick up gun.

Let's not overcomplicate things. If a buyer fails a background check, he's got bigger problems than worrying about the money he paid for the gun he's not going to get.

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MadPick wrote:
I've got a feeling that the normal method will be:

- Buyer and seller meet at FFL. Buyer pays seller -And if he doesn't and waits until he gets a proceed?, does paperwork. Seller goes home.
- Buyer waits for proceed from FFL, goes to pick up gun. But what if he is denied? Do you have to pay and wait for it to be transfered back into your name?

Let's not overcomplicate things. If a buyer fails a background check, he's got bigger problems than worrying about the money he paid for the gun he's not going to get.


It got complicated when they made the fucked up law.
And we are making it worse by "_________" them.
Sorry, but there isn't enough ASTRO GLIDE on the planet to keep taking it from them.
So much to do.....and so little to help

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Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:37 pm
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dimwit13 wrote:
MadPick wrote:
I've got a feeling that the normal method will be:

- Buyer and seller meet at FFL. Buyer pays seller -And if he doesn't and waits until he gets a proceed?, does paperwork. Seller goes home.
- Buyer waits for proceed from FFL, goes to pick up gun. But what if he is denied? Do you have to pay and wait for it to be transfered back into your name?

Let's not overcomplicate things. If a buyer fails a background check, he's got bigger problems than worrying about the money he paid for the gun he's not going to get.


It got complicated when they made the fucked up law.
And we are making it worse by "_________" them.
Sorry, but there isn't enough ASTRO GLIDE on the planet to keep taking it from them.
So much to do.....and so little to help

-Jason-


Jason...pretty sure its slowing down the illegal transfer of firearms between felons.... :ROFLMAO:

Sorry, thats not funny.

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Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:44 pm
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Let's just keep it very simple.

You find buyer.
Meet at store.
Buyer inspects gun, if he decides he wants it, he pays you. You give gun to dealer. You give a bill of sale if you want and you're done. Go home, enjoy life.
Buyer completes background checks as if he is buying gun from dealer's display case.

If buyer doesn't pass background, then buyer can appeal. Just like he bought it from the dealer.
If he doesn't want to appeal... even knowing he could end up being investigated by the WSP... he can try to sell it to the store, consign it to the store, or try to sell it back to the seller.
Unless the buyer has some sort of contract that says he will only pay if he passes the background check, it's on him at this point. If you're nice you could refund his money and do the background check yourself to get your gun back. Or you could tell him to pound sand. A good reason to have a bill of sale with this spelled out in it ahead of time so there is no question.


Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 pm
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Unicorn wrote:
Let's just keep it very simple.

You find buyer.
Meet at store.
Buyer inspects gun, if he decides he wants it, he pays you. You give gun to dealer. You give a bill of sale if you want and you're done. Go home, enjoy life.
Buyer completes background checks as if he is buying gun from dealer's display case.

If buyer doesn't pass background, then buyer can appeal. Just like he bought it from the dealer.
If he doesn't want to appeal... even knowing he could end up being investigated by the WSP... he can try to sell it to the store, consign it to the store, or try to sell it back to the seller.
Unless the buyer has some sort of contract that says he will only pay if he passes the background check, it's on him at this point. If you're nice you could refund his money and do the background check yourself to get your gun back. Or you could tell him to pound sand. A good reason to have a bill of sale with this spelled out in it ahead of time so there is no question.


This sounds like the best plan, to have a bill of sale that states how it will be handled if buyer doesn’t pass bgc etc.

Thanks for all the input!


Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:44 am
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Thank you, Chester. thumbsup

Even if you don’t do a bill of sale, it would be good to have that in your ad. Something like:
- Can meet at xxxx location(s)
- xxxx is responsible for transfer fees
- Sale is final at meet and is not contingent upon the buyer passing the background check.

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Unicorn wrote:
Let's just keep it very simple.

You find buyer.
Meet at store.
Buyer inspects gun, if he decides he wants it, he pays you. You give gun to dealer. You give a bill of sale if you want and you're done. Go home, enjoy life.
Buyer completes background checks as if he is buying gun from dealer's display case.

If buyer doesn't pass background, then buyer can appeal. Just like he bought it from the dealer.
If he doesn't want to appeal... even knowing he could end up being investigated by the WSP... he can try to sell it to the store, consign it to the store, or try to sell it back to the seller.
Unless the buyer has some sort of contract that says he will only pay if he passes the background check, it's on him at this point. If you're nice you could refund his money and do the background check yourself to get your gun back. Or you could tell him to pound sand. A good reason to have a bill of sale with this spelled out in it ahead of time so there is no question.
Do the new changes require the FFL to hold the firearm for a private transfer? I know when 594 took effect the fed guidelines allowed for the seller to retain the firearm.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:35 am
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1811GNR wrote:
Unicorn wrote:
Let's just keep it very simple.

You find buyer.
Meet at store.
Buyer inspects gun, if he decides he wants it, he pays you. You give gun to dealer. You give a bill of sale if you want and you're done. Go home, enjoy life.
Buyer completes background checks as if he is buying gun from dealer's display case.

If buyer doesn't pass background, then buyer can appeal. Just like he bought it from the dealer.
If he doesn't want to appeal... even knowing he could end up being investigated by the WSP... he can try to sell it to the store, consign it to the store, or try to sell it back to the seller.
Unless the buyer has some sort of contract that says he will only pay if he passes the background check, it's on him at this point. If you're nice you could refund his money and do the background check yourself to get your gun back. Or you could tell him to pound sand. A good reason to have a bill of sale with this spelled out in it ahead of time so there is no question.
Do the new changes require the FFL to hold the firearm for a private transfer? I know when 594 took effect the fed guidelines allowed for the seller to retain the firearm.

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Yeah, 1639 the FFL keeps the firearm for 10 to 30 days............or till the BGC clears.

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