To be clear a REARWARD swing is ambiguous, until it starts moving FORWARD. Rearward could also be moving it back away from the physical confrontation so that no one gets cut.

At this point, either you have not actually watched the last few seconds of video, up to when she got shot... Or you are running a disinformation campaign.

I know how it looked to the officer, from what he saw it is obvious why he shot and that he will not face any discipline.

But the same events may have looked different to the people who had more context.

Military vets will be the new bad guys..


Martin248 here’s the problem with your statement.

Let’s say the other woman did indeed bring the knife and the shooting victim managed to take it away from her, that still doesn’t justify her attacking the two women as shown on the video. She tackles one woman, perhaps trying to stab her, perhaps trying to take the knife. But then she immediately gets up and goes for the second woman against the car.That wasn’t a defensive action, that was assaulting towards the threat. At that point it’s no longer self defense.

Just like if you’re in your home and someone attacks you, legally you’re justified to shoot to defend yourself. But if you chase them outside the house and shoot them as they’re trying to get away, then you’re now in the wrong.

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So it's worth repeating at this point that this is an "if". The identity of the 911 caller has not been confirmed, nor who brought the knife. If she brought the knife herself, if somebody else called 911, whole different story.

But if it's the 911 caller who got shot, and if she disarmed the stabber, then my perception of what she was doing changes.

I would then not think she was actually going to stab anyone. The person who disarms someone else is simply less likely to actually do it than the person who brought the knife with intent.

I would think she's pumped with adrenaline and understandably angry with the person who threatened her, but not actually likely to do any harm.

That does appear to be the way the others present saw it, and why they called the officer stupid. They seem to have had insight into her mental state that the officer didn't have and couldn't have had.



I tackled my brother all the time when I was a kid too, and he did it to me too, but I'd never actually hurt him.

What the officer can't know is the meaning of the knife and her intent. Is she intending to use it? Or just holding on to it after having disarmed someone else?

She says she's going to stab, is she really? Or is it more of a "how do you like it" acting out, like kids are known to do?

Of course the officer can't know, he only knows what he's seen. He doesn't know the relationships, he doesn't know the context, he's completely incapable of judging her mental state and intent because he doesn't know her.

This is a domestic mess, not two strangers getting into a dustup and that's why it's complicated.

Was the officer "justified" in shooting her? Almost certainly.

Was it the right thing to do, in hindsight, knowing ALL the facts? I'm not convinced.

"But it's not great to legally shoot an innocent person, legal or not."
That's said in jest right? An innocent person is not actively assaulting someone with a deadly weapon. You might want to review your definition of "innocent".

Its called disinformation.

My definition of innocent includes intent. Was she actually using the knife? Or only holding it after having disarmed someone else?

Suppose she survived. Would she have a plausible defense in court to that assault charge? If so she's innocent.

I think you argue just to argue

Exactly. Perhaps the dead girl started out as the "good guy," but she quickly changed roles and became the aggressor.

Good shoot. Sad? Yes. But a good shoot.

"Was she actually using the knife? Or only holding it after having disarmed someone else?"
Are we dealing with a visual or idealogical impairment? If you do not see "intent to harm" in the video, I don't know what to say except I hope neither you or yours are ever in the same position as the girl in pink and then cop stops to ponder her true intent.

Right? Reminds of someone else who used to be here.

Agreed, there have been more than a few lately that are on ignore list and it would be nice if people would stop quoting them..

The gal in pink is holding what looks like a pug

Maybe it was the dog that started the fight and Chunky Brewster was going after it

Everyone wants to live the pug life till it's time to do pug things...