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Look a little deeper. CALPERS, the state retirement pension plan, is one of the biggest PGE shareholders.

That means, state government looks the other way when system upgrades and maintenance are ignored to the point of criminality.

They don't want to interrupt the dividend flow to a massive pension plan desperate for revenue to stay afloat.

Government, money, and corporations. Never any shady shit going on there, right ?

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:31 am
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Use your wood stove because they're awesome and there's nothing like a fire on a cold day - not because it's better for the environment.

Agreed. Also because it is the only alternative you have to electric heat. (Can't afford natural gas, let alone a heat pump.)

Too much of "just do this, and just do that", by people who can easily afford this and that, with no consideration given to those who don't even know where their next meal is coming from. Not saying that is me. Just that I know plenty of people in that situation. Humble honest simple people who have as much right to live by what means they have, as anyone who has more 'means', does. Better for the environment, has nothing to do with that. I just made the point because that was the argument being made.

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We're off-topic now :bruce:

Agreed. Back to our regularly scheduled program...

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:02 am
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The reason there AREN'T that many wood stoves now is due to air quality regulations and primarily access to cheaper sources of fuel such as natural gas.


Cheaper?

I cant even get people to come get FREE wood!!

People use "cheaper" fuel because they are LAZY.

Folks nowadays buy an axe because it matches their beard, not because they can/will actually split a cord of wood!!!

Turn the magic knob for heat! Easy peasy!!

I wonder why all these new energy efficient heat pumped houses always have mold problems? :wink05:


Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:38 am
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Old Growth wrote:
Kgbsucka wrote:
The reason there AREN'T that many wood stoves now is due to air quality regulations and primarily access to cheaper sources of fuel such as natural gas.


Cheaper?

I cant even get people to come get FREE wood!!

People use "cheaper" fuel because they are LAZY.

Folks nowadays buy an axe because it matches their beard, not because they can/will actually split a cord of wood!!!

Turn the magic knob for heat! Easy peasy!!

I wonder why all these new energy efficient heat pumped houses always have mold problems? :wink05:


Hey, question for ya, I got a BUNCH of logs, stripped of branches, ranging from 8" to 20 diameter, Fir, Larch, some Pondersoa, on our property. All nicely stacked up by the builder who we fired.

How long is this wood good for in that condition? Taken down last Nov. I'm head over to the property Saturday with my chain saw to whack up about a cord along with my neighbor who wants a cord, but there will be a shit ton left....

For the record, I have 3 axes, 2 splitting mauls and I know how to use them! Actually , its great exercise.

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sportsdad60 wrote:
Old Growth wrote:
Kgbsucka wrote:
The reason there AREN'T that many wood stoves now is due to air quality regulations and primarily access to cheaper sources of fuel such as natural gas.


Cheaper?

I cant even get people to come get FREE wood!!

People use "cheaper" fuel because they are LAZY.

Folks nowadays buy an axe because it matches their beard, not because they can/will actually split a cord of wood!!!

Turn the magic knob for heat! Easy peasy!!

I wonder why all these new energy efficient heat pumped houses always have mold problems? :wink05:


Hey, question for ya, I got a BUNCH of logs, stripped of branches, ranging from 8" to 20 diameter, Fir, Larch, some Pondersoa, on our property. All nicely stacked up by the builder who we fired.

How long is this wood good for in that condition? Taken down last Nov. I'm head over to the property Saturday with my chain saw to whack up about a cord along with my neighbor who wants a cord, but there will be a shit ton left....

For the record, I have 3 axes, 2 splitting mauls and I know how to use them! Actually , its great exercise.


Left in the rain and on the ground? Not long in my experience. Too wet here.

It should last quite some time under a tarp or some other cover, but you need to get it up off the ground and stacked so air can move under and around it. It could sit for several years like that.

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Kgbsucka wrote:
sportsdad60 wrote:
Old Growth wrote:
Kgbsucka wrote:
The reason there AREN'T that many wood stoves now is due to air quality regulations and primarily access to cheaper sources of fuel such as natural gas.


Cheaper?

I cant even get people to come get FREE wood!!

People use "cheaper" fuel because they are LAZY.

Folks nowadays buy an axe because it matches their beard, not because they can/will actually split a cord of wood!!!

Turn the magic knob for heat! Easy peasy!!

I wonder why all these new energy efficient heat pumped houses always have mold problems? :wink05:


Hey, question for ya, I got a BUNCH of logs, stripped of branches, ranging from 8" to 20 diameter, Fir, Larch, some Pondersoa, on our property. All nicely stacked up by the builder who we fired.

How long is this wood good for in that condition? Taken down last Nov. I'm head over to the property Saturday with my chain saw to whack up about a cord along with my neighbor who wants a cord, but there will be a shit ton left....

For the record, I have 3 axes, 2 splitting mauls and I know how to use them! Actually , its great exercise.


Left in the rain and on the ground? Not long in my experience. Too wet here.

It should last quite some time under a tarp or some other cover, but you need to get it up off the ground and stacked so air can move under and around it. It could sit for several years like that.

I sent him a PM and he answered.
It's dry here, 5% humidity in the summer. Thanks for your reply.
I'd need a BIG FARKING TARP to cover it. I would guess it would fill up one logging truck, possible two.
The first level is on the ground, the rest stacked on top.

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and.. Cali just gave Amateur radio the boot, and removed RACES/ARES from its communication plan.......and is trying to kick some repeaters off the state owned/leased towers.

LOL.

I think most pd/fd stations have generators, but usually only enough fuel on hand for a couple of days, unless that's changed.

Let's see how shit works when they don't have a way to charge their portables....or pagers... :bigsmile:

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and.. Cali just gave Amateur radio the boot, and removed RACES/ARES from its communication plan.......and is trying to kick some repeaters off the state owned/leased towers.

LOL.

I think most pd/fd stations have generators, but usually only enough fuel on hand for a couple of days, unless that's changed.

Let's see how shit works when they don't have a way to charge their portables....or pagers... :bigsmile:


.gov will never run out of fuel.

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Imagine that. The city of Los Angeles is STILL on fire despite shutting off power.

https://q13fox.com/2019/10/11/thousands ... s-angeles/

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With all those winds blowing to the east, it would be a tragedy if a fire came about in Temecula or there about. All those people would be trapped in the L.A. and greater L.A. area.

I was listening to a podcast recently that featured the owner or Patagonia (clothing company). He said, "California should be it's own country."

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With all those winds blowing to the east, it would be a tragedy if a fire came about in Temecula or there about. All those people would be trapped in the L.A. and greater L.A. area.

I was listening to a podcast recently that featured the owner or Patagonia (clothing company). He said, "California should be it's own country."



I remember a story about a few states that tried that once. Didn't work out well for them from what I remember.

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With all those winds blowing to the east, it would be a tragedy if a fire came about in Temecula or there about. All those people would be trapped in the L.A. and greater L.A. area.

I was listening to a podcast recently that featured the owner or Patagonia (clothing company). He said, "California should be it's own country."

We would end up sending them more money.


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Imagine that. The city of Los Angeles is STILL on fire despite shutting off power.

https://q13fox.com/2019/10/11/thousands ... s-angeles/


They tried to call the fire department but their phones were dead, power being out and all.

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power on. or off or fire claimed another life...........





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dreadi wrote:
With all those winds blowing to the east, it would be a tragedy if a fire came about in Temecula or there about. All those people would be trapped in the L.A. and greater L.A. area.

I was listening to a podcast recently that featured the owner or Patagonia (clothing company). He said, "California should be it's own country."



I remember a story about a few states that tried that once. Didn't work out well for them from what I remember.


I think in California’s case, if they were to secede, the rest of the country would let them. We would just have to build a bigger wall.


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