And if they succeeded, there would be a MASS exodus from that state.

Rats and sinking ships and all that...

I wonder how that would play out in actuality. CA is a huge part of our economy and supplies a tremenouds amount of our groceries.

The hit to Federal revenues to be considered as well.

What do you think it would do to the cost of food, here in the lower 47?

As much as I hate to admit it, most studies show that the US would be in a worse place without them.

We'd lose a massive port, lots of tax $$ and a huge chunk of the economy/food supply which would likely make costs go up for the rest of us. What would be interesting to see is how they would change - I.E. no more federal protection of their borders and how the rest of the country would change. What would you do with the federal land/military bases?

It's a pretty complex issue when you really stop to think about all of the things CA is depending on the rest of the US for and vice versa.

I think it'd be lose/lose overall. We'd still have the rest of the liberal states (unless there was a multi-way breakup, but either way that screws us in WA) and CA would suddenly have to create a lot of agencies and well, a military. It's a nice dream though.

Hence the need for a wall.

I would much rather the whole state fall into the sea and take all the crazy with them. As for us depending on them that’s all relative. We got ports all along the west coast. It’s true LA is the biggest, but it wouldn’t take much to enhance Seattle and Tacoma, hell they could expand Grays harbor. As for produce, true California does produce a lot of vegetables and fruit, but then again so does Mexico and South America. NAFTA made California’s avocados and oranges moot. The only thing that they crank out more of right now is almonds and you can bet that if needed Mexico could step up. Thing is that California is the third largest economy in the world and the only reason the feds would fight to keep them is the feds would hate to deprived of all those tax dollars.

Seattle and Tacoma are both already undergoing port expansions.
After losing a lot of port business to Vancouver and Port Ruport, Canada.
Port costs in Canada are much cheaper, and so is Canadian railway expense to the Midwest. Like $400-600 per container less.
Multiply that by 10,000 and the company saves at least $4-6 million USD per ship.

https://www.joc.com/port-news/us-ports/ ... 90206.html

A 2018 NWSA study that detailed the costs of shipping through Seattle-Tacoma to Chicago versus Vancouver and Prince Rupert concluded that due to lower intermodal and infrastructure-related costs, shippers save about $400 per container through the Canadian gateway to Chicago. “Our port charge per container is less than $100. We could offer our facilities free of charge and still not come close to that number,” John Wolfe, CEO of the NWSA, told JOC.com last July.

Almonds are a big part of their water problem. They require much more water than other crops

Maybe if they didn't guzzle so much nut milk it wouldn't be an issue

Pretty sure those midwest states wastefully growing corn for conversion into alcohol that goes into gasoline could makeup the difference from CA if we just dump that silly charade. Alcohol in gasoline is a huge mistake.

Much of that soil has been so screwed up by decades of corn production that about all that will grow without artificial minerals and “fertilizers” are thistles and shitty hay.

They try the soybean/alfalfa/flax/corn/CRP repeat program but it’s not working. Hence the overproduction of corn and the magical ethanol....

On my wife’s family farm in Nebraska they turn corn into steaks


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beef is vegetarian

Yup.

A bacon cheeseburger is just super processed vegetables!

California is such a petulant child

PG&E faces sanctions, refund demands, in wake of blackouts
http://www.mercurynews.com/pge-must-pay-for-the-intentional-power-blackouts-gov-newsom



Um. You sued them into bankruptcy. Where is this money supposed to come from? Oh, right. It will be passed along to rate payers

Brilliant


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