I think I would have more incentive to stay at home if I believed that it is helping. But, I notice that I'm getting cynical about all this.
Number of COVID cases: OF COURSE the numbers are going up. They SHOULD be going up! In fact, they should be going up as fast as they can do the tests. The number of "cases" is actually the number of positive tests. Testing has been very limited due to the limited number of tests. Most of the tests are only done with a doctor order when people are symptomatic. Even with symptomatic tests, a large percentage are negative (meaning the symptoms are from some other virus). The number of "cases" has no meaning. When you read about other testing being done on random populations, we are finding out that a much larger percentage of the general population has already had COVID and has developed antibodies. This all happened with notice, without fancy testing, without hospitalizations.
Number of COVID hospitalizations: OK, this number is a little more accurate. When admitted with COVID symptoms, these folks are being tested. We have more accurate data of the number of people needing hospitalization.
Number of COVID deaths: Again, these numbers are a little more accurate than the number of "cases". Yeah, I think a number of these deaths are listed as COVID when they are only suspected. (Remember, doctors are encouraged to put COVID as a contributing factor (listed as a "COVID death") even when testing hasn't been done.) But wait - testing is mostly done on symptomatic people, and even then the majority of these tests are negative. Therefore, I suspect the number of suspected cases resulting in death are would still test negative.
So, here's where I'm getting quite cynical: I'm reading that many of the governors of the states are opening up their restrictions based on when the COVID cases are decreasing. What baloney! The testing is continuing and will become more available. Of course the case numbers are going up. That's the wrong statistic to base your decision on.
So, if I get to complain I should also suggest a solution. OK - I think the decision to open the economy and relax restrictions should be decided on a local level. Use the status of the hospitals as a bellwether. Use the number of hospitalizations and number of deaths. Are the local hospitals quiet, not overwhelmed?
Sat May 09, 2020 2:21 pm
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I find it interesting and encouraging to see more and more people pushing back against the restrictive governments. That's awesome! I think a lot of (previously uninformed) people are learning about states' rights, the set-up of a republic, about their rights as listed in the Bill of Rights. That's good.
"There is ample scientific evidence that COVID-19 is exceptionally contagious. But evidence that the risk of contagion is heightened in a religious setting any more than a secular one is lacking," Van Tatenhove wrote. "If social distancing is good enough for Home Depot and Kroger, it is good enough for in-person religious services which, unlike the foregoing, benefit from constitutional protection."
"Never in the history of this great republic have we told churchgoers that it's illegal for you to exercise your First Amendment right of freedom of religion. Yet, at the same time, it's essential to keep pot dispensaries open.
Never in the history of this country have we been told that you can't go to church because it's 'non-essential,' but you can go get an abortion because that's 'essential.'
Never before in our country have we let criminals out of jail but we've told you, you can't exercise your Second Amendment right and protect yourself by purchasing a firearm.
When liquor stores are deemed essential but your businesses are deemed non-essential, there's something wrong going on." This was Dr. Barke giving his speech.
Right! If no asymptomatic persons are even tested, then we have absolutely NO number of asymptomatic carriers/spreaders.
I might be dragging this thing all over the south sound every day. I have mandatory temp check every morning, and mandatory mask, gloves at every site - doesn't mean I'm not carrying.
It's a virus. You want to stop a virus? We still can't stop headlice! Reality is a female dog - in heat!
Sat May 09, 2020 3:04 pm
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Number of COVID cases: OF COURSE the numbers are going up. They SHOULD be going up! In fact, they should be going up as fast as they can do the tests. The number of "cases" is actually the number of positive tests. Testing has been very limited due to the limited number of tests. Most of the tests are only done with a doctor order when people are symptomatic. Even with symptomatic tests, a large percentage are negative (meaning the symptoms are from some other virus). The number of "cases" has no meaning. When you read about other testing being done on random populations, we are finding out that a much larger percentage of the general population has already had COVID and has developed antibodies. This all happened with notice, without fancy testing, without hospitalizations.
Agreed.
I have always had on/off bronchitis flair ups most of my life. I usually power through them and back to normal after a week. Roughly ten months ago I had another flair up but this time it kept getting worse. So bad I could hardly breath so I took myself to ER. They did the usual tests (temp, blood, X-Rays, etc.), said it was bronchitis and sent me on my way with a antibiotic/inhailer prescription. Told me to call/return if it didn't improve within 24-48 hours. Outside of severe breathing issues I felt fine. Took almost two weeks to fully recover. Now I wonder if this was COVID-19 related ten months ago. Make sense with the number cases and massive testing going on.
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:49 pm
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There is speculation now that the immunity protection from having survived the Kung Fu is short lived and is no guarantee of protection from reinfection by the same strain of the virus or from its now emerging many variants/mutations.
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:13 pm
Arisaka
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There is speculation now that the immunity protection from having survived the Kung Fu is short lived and is no guarantee of protection from reinfection by the same strain of the virus or from its now emerging many variants/mutations.
Can we hide longer than the Wuhan can?
I doubt it.
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Sat May 09, 2020 10:21 pm
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Speculation sums up about 95% of the pandemic news stories
And 83% of statistics are made up on the spot
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There we go again! I don't know your sources but, I've been hearing "72% made-up" for like *ever*. 11% is a pretty big margin of error, even for fiction.
Even Bonaduce says 72%! You have a more credible source? :-)
Sat May 09, 2020 10:47 pm
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