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IFAK talk - Individual First Aid Kit and other medical kits
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delliottg
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Location: Duvall Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 4604
Real Name: David
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Out of curiosity, I see a lot of this stuff has expiration dates, some of which seem nonsensical, like on shears and needles, which I'd think would last nearly forever if they're not opened or exposed to oxidation. What components really need to be rotated and which of them that have expiration dates can you just ignore or continue to use with reasonable confidence beyond their expiration / use by dates?
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:43 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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delliottg wrote: Out of curiosity, I see a lot of this stuff has expiration dates, some of which seem nonsensical, like on shears and needles, which I'd think would last nearly forever if they're not opened or exposed to oxidation. What components really need to be rotated and which of them that have expiration dates can you just ignore or continue to use with reasonable confidence beyond their expiration / use by dates? Training trumps gear. If you are concerned with expired gear, use it to train untill it fails, and replace with fresh item. Example video: https://youtu.be/6ULJgkkA_lUhttps://youtu.be/XqmtZ0g8D8s
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:52 am |
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jackass
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Location: Burien Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5882
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Interesting topic, certainly applicable to shooting sports, in addition to hiking or even as a first aid bag while driving.
There was a table at the WAC show that had medical supplies but we can't go there anymore.
The blood clot packs are essential.
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:06 am |
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Tony617
Location: Washington State Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2020 Posts: 134
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I have IPOK kit from North American Rescue.
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:27 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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example "pinch lights", except you want those that include an on switch: https://www.amazon.com/LRI-PWK-Photon-K ... TK0X91R8YQhttps://www.amazon.com/Radiant-CB-W-Tra ... B000BIW0R2a clip that allows you to clip on brim of your hat is also a thing to consider.
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:53 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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Tony617 wrote: I have IPOK kit from North American Rescue. good kit, great gloves
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:54 am |
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movingviolation
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Location: Bonney Lake Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 3294
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NotAMerc wrote: At first glance it all looks decent, but I’d be super concerned about knockoffs. Given the price range you quoted, you could easily buy an assembled kit from reputable dealers and not have to worry about stuff being of questionable manufacturer. Take a look at these guys, they’re one of my go-to for refilling medical kits. They have multiple options for compete kits as well. https://www.narescue.com/roo-m-fak-kit.htmlhttps://darkangelmedical.com/emergency-bleeding-control-kit-max/I like the Dark angel medical stuff cause they come in vacuum packed wrappers, keeps everything contained. Plus I’ve been able to cram their stuff into modified mag pouches so that saves a lot of space. so looks like this kit would be more inline https://darkangelmedical.com/d-a-r-k-d-a-r-k-slim-trauma-kit-refill-vacuum-sealed-insert/with the optional upgrades it comes out to $120 i don't see a TQ listed, so that'll be extra, need a pouch for it, that's another $50 full blown kit looks to be about $230 https://darkangelmedical.com/d-a-r-k-trauma-kit/
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:04 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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You can't shoot your way out of a heart attack, and you can't buy your way through emergency treatment of one or more gsw. Start by defining the mission/circumstance you want to prepare for. For example, is there first world care minutes away on call through 911, or not? From there, get training. With training comes skill (which is more important than gear) and answers to most of your questions about what gear to buy. For example, does your local good Samaritan law "hold you harmless" if you misuse your chest decomp needle? If not, buying a kit with needles is a waste. Pouch selection is driven by mounting location: on plate carrier? war belt? ankle? After that, you will always do better putting together your own kit, packed and mounted the way that makes sense for you, than buying pre-packaged. With the money you save, build a backup kit. If you plan to aid anyone other than yourself, know your local laws. An ifak is a toolbag, not a talisman. Example (free) training: https://cms.bleedingcontrol.org/Class/Search
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:12 pm |
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A.O.
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Location: Tacoma :( Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 2410
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Anyone try one of those ankle worn med kits?
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 pm |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:19 pm |
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NWGunner
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 12475
Real Name: Steve
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Some people overload their IFAK, or med gear, not understanding what it is...
The “I” is for Individual....the goal is to save someONE...yourself, shooting buddy, spouse, stranger, etc., ...
It’s an effort to stop an individual from perishing until help arrives.
When you start overloading it to encompass more than that, you actually make it so cumbersome, that you may not be in position when it’s needed.
You can make bigger kits for your vehicle, your pack, or whatever, but an IFAK you always can carry, will be there more often when you need it, than a kit that has everything you would ever need, that’s back home.
Some think you should only carry things you only know how to use. I disagree, to a point.
Sometimes, someone with more knowledge might be using your kit to save you.
So, I carry up to the next level of what I know...and then study.
An example would be, let’s say you know how to use everything in most of the kits mentioned here, except a chest seal.
Have one, and study how to use it. Then, add the next thing, and study how to use that.
Like mentioned before, you can’t prepare for every scenario, just examine your lifestyle, and what may occur, and have a bigger kit in your rig...
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:26 pm |
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leadcounsel
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Location: Can't say Joined: Sun Sep 7, 2014 Posts: 8134
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I mentioned in the other thread a urgent care medicine pack. When I was deployed our IFAKs contained a small baggie with 3 pills - a potent pain pill, a broad spectrum pain anti-inflamatory pill, and a broad spectrum anti-biotic. Instructed that if we were badly injured, priority is to take that packet at first opportunity. Relieves pain, reduces shock, and immediately starts fighting infection and inflammation.
As I'm thinking of it, since pills take so little space, it might not be a bad idea to have some potent caffeine pills like No-Doze or similar to ward off fatigue if you find yourself in a dire situation on little sleep. And a handful of strong Ibuprofen if you have to muscle thru some hardships but you're not injured, just in pain and exhausted.
Also, earlier this year I put together a few medical kits and bags of various sizes, from a full stuffed red backpack trauma bag, to an IFAK or two.
I got a lot of the gear on clearance from LAPolicegear.com and they frequently have large discounts and clearance and % off deals. I got piles of a wide range of gear, similar to what's listed, for just a not much $. Some core needs for medical bags and pouches. Good idea to have at least one well stocked medical bag, probably red in color so it's easily distinguished, along with your smaller IFAK and car kits and house kits. Here's a sample off my receipt.
Prices are each and total. Copied from one of my invoices.
5 FCP-03 Israeli Medical Bandages 4" Emergency Bandage - White $6.80, $34.00 2 491 EMI Lifesaver CPR Mask Kit $6.99 $13.98 2 OAL_000 Tactical Medical Solutions Olaes Modular Bandage 4 Inch - Flat Packed $6.95 $13.90 4 FCP-12 Israeli Medical Bandages 6" Emergency Bandage - Mobile Pad - White $9.90 $39.60 1 NAR-ARSZZ- 0056 North American Rescue ARS Decompression Needle $9.99 $9.99 3 BC01 H&H Medical Big Cinch 12" x 16" Abdominal Bandage $7.99 $23.97 4 HHMCB01 H&H Medical Mini Compression Bandage $5.99 $23.96 3 HHWSK02 H&H Medical Wound Seal Kit $8.99 $26.97
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:20 pm |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:46 am |
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shaggy
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Location: Snohomish Co Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2018 Posts: 1812
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Thoughts about gear that is in a range bag vs a hot car? I mean, is that going to affect the shelf life of certain stuff? I feel like i should set up a basic kit for the daily driver.
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:54 pm |
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1BallJay
Location: Yakima, Washington Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 Posts: 424
Real Name: Luke
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Couple of TQ's, a few H&H's or Israeli bandages, quick clot. In any IFAK I carry.
If I am shot I won't be putting an NPA in my nose. If I am shot I won't be putting a 12g needle into my chest. I'll be stopping the bleeding and hoping someone is close with an aid bag (typically I'll be carrying the bag). If not it's maintain until I expire or help arrives. No need for pain pills. Chest seals are cool but why not use the wrapper of your H&H?
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:31 pm |
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