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Boeing fires dozens for 'being racist'
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dav2no1
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If you're a lazy, useless, a-hole your good to go! Never seen so many useless people in one place. It's tough to get fired, unless like others said...it gets slow and they start looking to cut people. They do that about every 6 months.
Although I don't look like it, I'm half Japanese. I can tell you there are a lot of Vietnamese people working there. Some are racist as hell and rude. They group together to help each other and ignore you. Most can't read blueprints or understand basic instructions, so they have to help each other.
Now on the other hand, there are also a bunch of good people there too. It doesn't take long to know who they are. The senior guy on my crew was Vietnamese and had A&P, super sharp guy. If you get a good crew, it's a great place to work. I worked as a final assembly mechanic in Renton. Until they sent us back and forth to Everett, where I worked in 767 body join, then back to Renton and then back to Everett. I took a voluntary lay off in October because I wasn't going to drive to Everett from south Puyallup everyday. Work 8 hours and drive 3 to 4 hours, no thanks!
It's tough to watch another mechanic take 8 hours to do a job that I can do in 45 minutes(perfectly and taking my time). In the first year I was there, I had learned and performed at least a dozen jobs vs some people that had been there for years and only knew 1 or 2 jobs. I also filled in as team lead twice.
Anywhere you go there's lazy people. You have to be better than that and lead by example. I spent almost 16 years in aerospace between Boeing and CF manufacturing.
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sportsdad60
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usrifle wrote: NWGunner wrote: Pablo wrote: Boeing is an equal opportunity employer. They don't expect work out of anyone. My wife would beg to differ... So would I. 13 years as a 777 Body structures Mechanic. My right shoulder surgery, my hand surgery, back problems and carpal tunnel from years of pounding with Rivet guns say otherwise. ^^^ These are the guys that do real work for Boeing. I was fortunate enough to start as a machinist apprentice, then the following careers....-tool maker-Jig-Builder-Template maker-NC Programmer- Multi-axis machinst- Software Engineer-Project Manager... and it never tore up my body like you guys that do the REAL laborious work on the line. I bow to you, sir. When I was IAM union, yes, a lot of lazy ass people that the union protected. I seen a guy punch a manager in the face, got his job back 2 months later (in a different org) When SPEEA union tech, some lazy ass people. When salary, it was pay for performance. Show up, do your job....you'd shine like a minnow in front of a walleye. If you didn't, you were targeted for the next round of layoffs.
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Mon May 03, 2021 3:45 pm |
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sportsdad60
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dav2no1 wrote: If you're a lazy, useless, a-hole your good to go! Never seen so many useless people in one place. It's tough to get fired, unless like others said...it gets slow and they start looking to cut people. They do that about every 6 months.
Although I don't look like it, I'm half Japanese. I can tell you there are a lot of Vietnamese people working there. Some are racist as hell and rude. They group together to help each other and ignore you. Most can't read blueprints or understand basic instructions, so they have to help each other.
Now on the other hand, there are also a bunch of good people there too. It doesn't take long to know who they are. The senior guy on my crew was Vietnamese and had A&P, super sharp guy. If you get a good crew, it's a great place to work. I worked as a final assembly mechanic in Renton. [b]Until they sent us back and forth to Everett, where I worked in 767 body join, then back to Renton and then back to Everett. I took a voluntary lay off in October because I wasn't going to drive to Everett from south Puyallup everyday. Work 8 hours and drive 3 to 4 hours, no thanks![/b]
It's tough to watch another mechanic take 8 hours to do a job that I can do in 45 minutes(perfectly and taking my time). In the first year I was there, I had learned and performed at least a dozen jobs vs some people that had been there for years and only knew 1 or 2 jobs. I also filled in as team lead twice.
Anywhere you go there's lazy people. You have to be better than that and lead by example. I spent almost 16 years in aerospace between Boeing and CF manufacturing. When I was a tool maker, the 767 and 757 flew within a year of each other. We all had a choice, drive to Everett daily for Z tooling or take a layoff. I chose a 4 hr commute daily but only for 6 months. Traffic wasn't as bad then.
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Arisaka
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usrifle wrote: NWGunner wrote: Pablo wrote: Boeing is an equal opportunity employer. They don't expect work out of anyone. My wife would beg to differ... So would I. 13 years as a 777 Body structures Mechanic. My right shoulder surgery, my hand surgery, back problems and carpal tunnel from years of pounding with Rivet guns say otherwise. Body Structures is a meat grinder. That org leads Boeing in injuries by a huge margin.
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Mon May 03, 2021 4:36 pm |
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usrifle
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Arisaka wrote: usrifle wrote: NWGunner wrote: Pablo wrote: Boeing is an equal opportunity employer. They don't expect work out of anyone. My wife would beg to differ... So would I. 13 years as a 777 Body structures Mechanic. My right shoulder surgery, my hand surgery, back problems and carpal tunnel from years of pounding with Rivet guns say otherwise. Body Structures is a meat grinder. That org leads Boeing in injuries by a huge margin. It's not as bad as it used to be, now all the Laps and butt splices are Hilocks instead of KE Rivets. Too late for me though, you should see what my handwriting looks like after all those years on a Rivet gun.
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Mon May 03, 2021 6:39 pm |
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MadPick
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usrifle wrote: It's not as bad as it used to be, now all the Laps and butt splices are Hilocks instead of KE Rivets. Too late for me though, you should see what my handwriting looks like after all those years on a Rivet gun. Ah. That explains the pistol shooting.
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usrifle
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MadPick wrote: usrifle wrote: It's not as bad as it used to be, now all the Laps and butt splices are Hilocks instead of KE Rivets. Too late for me though, you should see what my handwriting looks like after all those years on a Rivet gun. Ah. That explains the pistol shooting.
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TechnoWeenie
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MadPick wrote: usrifle wrote: It's not as bad as it used to be, now all the Laps and butt splices are Hilocks instead of KE Rivets. Too late for me though, you should see what my handwriting looks like after all those years on a Rivet gun. Ah. That explains the pistol shooting. I guess you just punched the timeclock then? Speed = Distance / Time. Yeah, it's a stretch of joke, but I'm making it anyway.. Anyone worth their shit should at least get it... even if it gets a groan instead of a grin...
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usrifle
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Groan... Yeah, IAM Clock puncher here. I counter with, L = Cl * A * .5 * r * V^2
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TechnoWeenie
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usrifle wrote: Groan... Yeah, IAM Clock puncher here. I counter with, L = Cl * A * .5 * r * V^2 Damnit.. It's been way too long... but that looks oddly familiar... Taking a stab in the dark here... drag coefficients and lifting forces? I was saying, if your shooting sucks because you shot a rivet gun.... Then Steve's shooting his chrono is because he just punches a time clock... Yeah, it was a really roundabout one....
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usrifle
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TechnoWeenie wrote: usrifle wrote: Groan... Yeah, IAM Clock puncher here. I counter with, L = Cl * A * .5 * r * V^2 Damnit.. It's been way too long... but that looks oddly familiar... Taking a stab in the dark here... drag coefficients and lifting forces? I was saying, if your shooting sucks because you shot a rivet gun.... Then Steve's shooting his chrono is because he just punches a time clock... Yeah, it was a really roundabout one.... Steve is no time clock drone, he's a salaried Engineer. I'm a time clock drone. Your stab in the dark was a pretty good one! https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/lifteq.htmlOh, and my pistol shooting doesn't suck, i just don't shoot them to the level of a Pistolero like Steve.
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dav2no1
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And if anyone was wondering....they flip flopped us back and forth because in Everett we were making a higher grade pay, because the work was a different grade. If they kept us there longer than 90 days, then by union laws, they'd have to pay us more vs temporary pay upgrade. So back and forth we went...
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usrifle
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dav2no1 wrote: And if anyone was wondering....they flip flopped us back and forth because in Everett we were making a higher grade pay, because the work was a different grade. If they kept us there longer than 90 days, then by union laws, they'd have to pay us more vs temporary pay upgrade. So back and forth we went... The pay grade issue isn't Union "Laws" it's per the contract that if you are upgraded for 90 day's or perform that work you have "rights" to the job. It's not an automatic upgrade to the scale of the higher grade for all future work. I'm not dogging you, i'm just clarifying in the interest of being fair. It's SOP for Boeing to do that, and while it's a pain in the ass to be sent back and forth it is what it is. I get the commute (I did that for 14 years from Renton) and why you took the VLO, but you still had a job if you were willing to deal with the situation until you could get back to Renton. The Renton relocated employee's have been coming back for a awhile now, we got a bunch more today. Side note, if you were in Final Assembly i bet i met you.
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Gwitness
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usrifle wrote: NWGunner wrote: Pablo wrote: Boeing is an equal opportunity employer. They don't expect work out of anyone. My wife would beg to differ... So would I. 13 years as a 777 Body structures Mechanic. My right shoulder surgery, my hand surgery, back problems and carpal tunnel from years of pounding with Rivet guns say otherwise. 10 years in 777 wing majors...currently doing LD due to a destroyed left shoulder...3 surgeries and counting.
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sportsdad60
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Ouch! You mechanics don't get paid enough to do what you.
When I went from IAM to SPEEA (Tech), the pay grade was roughly the same. When I got a warn notice in 1998, wife 8 months pregnant....gulp.... (Best thing that ever happened to me) I found a salary job as a Engineering Application Analyst, because I had CATIA V3 and V4 background.
Within 3 years I doubled my pay because salary is pay- for- performance. Not delegated to a union pay scale card. When I retired as a senior IT Project manager I was making more $$ than my 1st level manager, so she said. Boeing paid for my PMP and masters program to boot.
In salary, I discovered quickly that you do what you say you're going to do, show up for work, utilize continuing education, and you shine.
I think I was in school for 20 years. LOL, always going back for more training to get that higher paying job.
The problem with unions is there is no financial incentive to do more then you're required to within your pay scale.
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