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Lack of natural gas means EVs are the answer????
Biden/dem/lib logic I guess....

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At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if Biden announced that the US was responsible for destroying the pipeline… and he’s prepared to invade the US

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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

Asking for a friend in Tampa....
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Plan B is actually repeating Plan A.... it just involves much more alcohol.

Of the ten voices I hear in my head, only three keep telling me NOT to shoot....
Do I go with the majority or common sense?


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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

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Better than gas cars.


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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

Asking for a friend in Tampa....
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Better than gas cars.



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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

Asking for a friend in Tampa....
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Better than gas cars.

Care to elaborate/justify?

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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

Asking for a friend in Tampa....
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Better than gas cars.

Care to elaborate/justify?

EV are actually really well waterproofed and unlike ICE they do not need air to function, at all.

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JohnMBrowning wrote:
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How well do Teslas take to be submerged????

Asking for a friend in Tampa....
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Better than gas cars.

Care to elaborate/justify?

EV are actually really well waterproofed and unlike ICE they do not need air to function, at all.


Good thing it's self driving, because I don't think the driver would function well without air.

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Electric cars are great. The infrastructure is not in place to make them an immediate replacement like for like for most applications of automobilia(sp?). However, the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways wasn't technically "complete" until 1992 either. So relax a little bit.

There is plenty of electricity to go around. The bottleneck is the grid. However, that is an easier fix than the pundits would like you to believe, and those in vehement denial of that FACT are of similar ilk to those who NIMBY grid expansion on a daily basis.

As as far as the marketing wank in regards to 'zero sum emissions' and/or 'green energy' goes, it's like asking an accountant what 2+2 = ?

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As as far as the marketing wank in regards to 'zero sum emissions' and/or 'green energy' goes, it's like asking an accountant what 2+2 = ?



with nincompoops and this new math crap they tell ya 3 :wink05:

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Fixing the grid is not the answer and don't believe anyone who tells you that it is.

Just today there were news articles about how the libtards want to create regional and national power utility boards and authorities meanwhile they are trying to shutter nuke plants, breach dams, etc.

The plan of fixing the grid isn't to solve energy scarcity, the plan is to use a super functional and efficient national grid to centralize energy distribution so that libtard coastal blue states will literally suck all the power from the rest of the country. Already libtards are trying to use the courts to go after water in other states, it won't be long before they use government to start the electricity wars.

And the most ironic thing of all is that these libtards who oppose the most efficient forms of electricity will have no qualms about quite literally stealing it from people who are fine with it and vote for state and local governments that make said efficient forms of energy generation possible in other forms of the country.

Fuck the grid, keep your libtard hands off red state power. Let the blue states fuck themselves into the bronze age and leave them there.

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If you vote for Biden you are voting to be murdered when he sends Beto to come take your "semi automatic assault weapon" (any semi auto).
If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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Fixing the grid is not the answer and don't believe anyone who tells you that it is.

Mark my words... They will find a reason to stop selling roofing and make you buy solar shingles instead.... If you cant afford to charge your car and run the dryer, then walk to work.....


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Fixing the grid is not the answer and don't believe anyone who tells you that it is.

Just today there were news articles about how the libtards want to create regional and national power utility boards and authorities meanwhile they are trying to shutter nuke plants, breach dams, etc.

The plan of fixing the grid isn't to solve energy scarcity, the plan is to use a super functional and efficient national grid to centralize energy distribution so that libtard coastal blue states will literally suck all the power from the rest of the country. Already libtards are trying to use the courts to go after water in other states, it won't be long before they use government to start the electricity wars.

And the most ironic thing of all is that these libtards who oppose the most efficient forms of electricity will have no qualms about quite literally stealing it from people who are fine with it and vote for state and local governments that make said efficient forms of energy generation possible in other forms of the country.

Fuck the grid, keep your libtard hands off red state power. Let the blue states fuck themselves into the bronze age and leave them there.


You understand much less than you believe you do, that much is certain. Carry on with your ranting, though. It's funny.

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CQBgopher wrote:
Alpine wrote:
Fixing the grid is not the answer and don't believe anyone who tells you that it is.

Just today there were news articles about how the libtards want to create regional and national power utility boards and authorities meanwhile they are trying to shutter nuke plants, breach dams, etc.

The plan of fixing the grid isn't to solve energy scarcity, the plan is to use a super functional and efficient national grid to centralize energy distribution so that libtard coastal blue states will literally suck all the power from the rest of the country. Already libtards are trying to use the courts to go after water in other states, it won't be long before they use government to start the electricity wars.

And the most ironic thing of all is that these libtards who oppose the most efficient forms of electricity will have no qualms about quite literally stealing it from people who are fine with it and vote for state and local governments that make said efficient forms of energy generation possible in other forms of the country.

Fuck the grid, keep your libtard hands off red state power. Let the blue states fuck themselves into the bronze age and leave them there.

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You understand much less than you believe you do, that much is certain. Carry on with your ranting, though. It's funny.

And you don't understand what the libtards are saying straight to your own face. Willful denial? Cognitive dissonance?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/busi ... -heat.html

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California’s grid is connected by transmission lines to other Western states and Canadian provinces, allowing it to import and export power. Like any big marketplace, the system has advantages of scale, allowing resources to be redirected to where they are needed. But California’s experience has revealed a number of vulnerabilities — in the system’s design and in the region’s generating capacity — that create the potential for failure.

The transition away from fossil fuels has complicated energy operations, as an increasing share of electricity is coming from solar and wind farms that produce power only when the sun shines or the wind blows, making the available supply more variable over a 24-hour period.

Part of President Biden’s strategy to reduce emissions and counter the effects of climate change is to increase the delivery of clean energy from one area, state or region to another — say, from Wyoming wind farms or Arizona solar farms to California homes and offices — an effort backed by hundreds of billions of dollars in this year’s Inflation Reduction Act and other measures.


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But until those plans yield a significant increase in energy generation and transmission, grid managers like the California Independent System Operator, or CAISO, which runs 80 percent of the state’s electric system, must depend on and compete with neighbors for what is sold in energy markets. That means California risks falling short during periods of peak demand, like the one it experienced on Sept. 6.


With temperatures soaring throughout the West, CAISO faced rising prices in the regional market that it operates to buy and sell energy. As electricity demand kept increasing, so did prices, some to almost $2,000 per megawatt-hour, compared with normal prices of less than $100.

“Where the risk comes is if we can’t get our prices high enough compared to the rest of the West to get any imports,” said Carrie Bentley, the co-founder and chief executive of Gridwell Consulting, which focuses on energy markets in the West. “Prices in the desert Southwest were a little higher, so we were competing with them. There just wasn’t enough supply.”

Even as California was facing record demand, its power lines were sending power to other parts of the region, in some cases to fulfill contracts between producers and utilities. At moments during the day, more than 5,000 megawatts of electricity were exported through CAISO’s system for hours at a time, according to Tyson Siegele, an analyst at the Protect Our Communities Foundation, an advocacy group for energy issues.

Oh my God! Those evil contracts that people relied on and invested in and expect to be fulfilled as a cornerstone of commerce and law. How awful!

Here comes the gov to improve "equity."
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State and federal lawmakers and regulators acted to guard against future manipulation, price volatility and rolling outages, but those steps did not eliminate the uncertainty and risks inherent in financial markets, including wholesale energy markets.

What Mr. Mainzer described as a system of neighbors helping one another in a crisis is also, in practice, a competition.


In a review of this month’s emergency by Gridwell Consulting, Ms. Bentley determined that California was receiving all the electricity it could purchase from the Pacific Northwest as well as hydroelectric power from British Columbia. The additional electricity would have to come from the Southwest, but California’s wholesale price limits made it difficult to compete with Arizona and New Mexico, where wholesalers could get more money for their electricity. “There was nothing any of the other states could give us,” Ms. Bentley said.

See where this is heading?
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Jon Wellinghoff, a former chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, believes CAISO and California regulators need to spend more time getting their forecasts right. Markets are the most efficient way to manage energy supplies across states, he said, but without proper planning electricity becomes too expensive.


And here is where they openly admit they want to start stealing power from uncooperative states:
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Mr. Wellinghoff believes that part of California’s problem can be solved by changing the way electricity is managed in the West. CAISO runs an energy trading market across multiple Western states but controls only California’s electric grid.

In addition to a regional trading market, Mr. Wellinghoff wants a regional electric grid operator rather than individual operators in separate states — an idea that has met stiff opposition in the past because CAISO’s board is appointed by California’s governor and other states do not want their outsize neighbor dictating policy. For California’s part, some officials have not wanted to surrender control of their grid manager to smaller states.

But Mr. Wellinghoff said a regional grid manager could better distribute resources without depending on the energy market alone to deliver power from area to area.

“Broader authority will produce benefits immediately,” Mr. Wellinghoff said. “The system needs to be made more efficient. We could have been in a better position, yes.”

Regional grid manager, stiff opposition from other states that don't want their power managed by a body who is made up of people appointed by CA's governor, complaints about costs and price equity because commiefornia and other blue states make electricity more expensive than it needs to be to generate it in their own state or put in artificial price ceilings for importing it because the welfare babies demand it so they can't compete with natural capitalistic prices. It's the worst of both worlds.

And when the whole thing fails they expect the sane rest of the country to give up their electricity to them to help charge their Teslas and power their A/Cs. Fuck no. An efficient grid is a means to sucking the rest of the country dry. We should not have an efficient power grid until the blue states allow us to generate enough power for the whole country's population in cost effective and efficient ways.

Meanwhile Commiefornia is down to 1 nuke plant and Inslime and Patty want to breach 4 of the dams on the lower Snake river. Wake the the fuck up.

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If you vote for Biden you are voting to be murdered when he sends Beto to come take your "semi automatic assault weapon" (any semi auto).
If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
Quote:
“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
Quote:
[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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