New York City has had 5 deaths, and nearly 70 injuries so far this year from electric battery fires.

Not electric cars, but e-scooters and e-bikes used for all the delivery services.

E-bike batteries pack enough energy to power vehicles going 25 mph (illegally modified, faster). A reliable bike with an Underwriters-Lab-tested battery is expensive, and the battery needs to be maintained by people who know what they’re doing. The city’s thousands of delivery e-bikers, like Lopez-Centeno, aren’t buying certified batteries.

Delivery workers and other poorer New Yorkers are buying discount “batteries that are not properly made, uncertified potentially imitation batteries,” says Ari Kesler, co-owner with his wife, Jessica, of Brooklyn-based My Battery Recyclers. This is “not something that existed 10 years ago.”

Exposure to rain and salt, poor maintenance and poor charging practices compound the problem. “You can’t put a charger [in an outlet] that’s powering the AC,” says Kesler.


Apparently,

This is a problem in NYCHA buildings because tenants don’t pay metered electricity. An industry has sprung up to recharge delivery bikes for cash. “You can’t have someone in their apartment charging 20 batteries,” says Kesler.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/07/mayor-ada ... alty-fire/

the Tesla home charger is supposed to do 48 amps so it doesn't even use a 14-50. Instead, they get hard wired to the panel. But Teslas can use an adapter to plug into other non-Tesla L2 chargers. There are more complications. Some chargers come designed to share the same circuit and make sure only one of them pull amps at a time and you know how that can go south.

We know very little about that house fire with the Teslas to tell anything. The only suspicion I have based on the video is how old the house looks. Only god knows what old stuff behind a wall could become a weak link.

I do have an EV (VW ID.4). I got a L2 charger bolted to the wall in the garage connected to a 14-50 professionally installed.

If you have EV questions let me know.

Yeah, my post wasn’t about Teslas, or electric cars…it was more tying into Massive & Alpine’s discussion about the consumer-side mishandling of batteries and chargers…

But tesla isnt allowing to users to break down battery packs into smaller chunks so you can replace defective cells to get you back on the road.

Also tesla is looking to incorporate the battery into the chassis.... So how is that going to be salvaged?

Anouther bitch is how tesla'd poor second hand support... When a tesla is written off in an accident, all support for it ends, you have to hack to get one to function, replacement parts are non-existent. For someone like me that has multiple 90+ year cars and bikes that are compiled from 70+ year parts that is bullshit. I drive to work in a 40 year old car to run a milling machine that was built in 1967.

I'm not against electric stuff, i just don't believe we are saving the world

Those are the exact reason I won't own a Tesla, plus his propensity for adding and removing things OTA. Same reason I don't own any Apple Product. Apple from the start was always proprietary everything and anti open market.

Unfortunately for most of us, pretty much all vehicles these days are one off's. I too miss the old days when walk into a auto parts store and say I need an alternator for a 1978 GMC pickup, and they hand one one, because the same alternator was in every GMC, GM, Chevy pickup from 1970-1989. Now the parts from one vehicle almost never fit any other until you get down to the sensor/bulb level. My hope is that some aftermarket, secondary industries start up to recycle EV batteries, etc post accident, etc. Otherwise you are right, we are not saving the world, we are going farther down the road to Wall-E land.

Can we replace all of the IC vehicles before the ice caps melt and the seas wash us away?

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... teria.html

let's do the maffs

Electric-car charging stations are becoming more common, but there's still one huge problem: Tons of them don't work
https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... -ev-2022-5

As an EV owner I have to say this is true everywhere.

I went into this Electrify America charger location in a taco bell at Ellensburg and there were only half working. Those DC chargers require a lot of cooling and I imagine they can break like the liquid cooling system in a gas/diesel car. Maybe leaks, clogs, some blown fuses or meltdown cables. Those things can reach 350W in DC. Pretty terrifying. Some people is calling for EV chargers to be as common as gas stations but I bet gas pumps are way easier to maintain.

EV fast chargers usually cost about 2x what residential electricity goes for. Will that be enough to keep expanding, maintain them properly and still make a profit?
BP thinks it can be as profitable as selling gas https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-01-14/
All other positive articles about EV chargers being profitable are from EV fanboys so this BP statement is the only almost-reliable piece I could find.

What's the worst way you can imagine to generate power? I'm thinking it's a fast short term, hastily constructed gas burning power plant. And that's what CA had to get a waiver from the Biden admin to suddenly build because they were short expected power demand for the summer by a huge amount.

Trying to switch even a small % of America's vehicles from a power source that's been independent from the power grid to suddenly taxing the already overtaxed power grid is beyond stupid. Buy an EV and can't charge it? You should have known better.

I don't buy the power grid issue around EV cars. Manufacturers are releasing those vehicles in a way that the power demand increase can be measured, projected and supported.
People are installing air conditioners everyday. They consume close to what the L2 chargers do but for even more hours and nobody is complaining. Hell, here in WA new house construction can't hook up to gas and all heating/cooling + stove is electric still nobody talk about the power grid not supporting that.

People talk about suddenly plugging ALL existing cars as EV in the power grid. Off course it couldn't take it today. Power grids react to demand as they go. Car manufacturers and consumers aren't replacing all gas/diesel cars with EVs overnight. Same with cutting gas from ALL houses and pretending the power grid TODAY take all the heating+stove covered by gas.

Plus smart EV owners are charging overnight, and any not every night. My little short ranger goes 3days between charge, 4 if I drive like a Prius owner.

Plus overnight means using lower output vs DCFC stations so even less load on the grid. No worse than running a window ac unit.

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There are areas of this country that can't even handle people turning on their window A/C units which draw ~1200W.... and you think adding the equivalent of 5-10 A/C units for ONE vehicle won't strain the system?

C'mon man!

Sure, it's not gonna be adopted overnight, but there are still huge issues with power production, let alone battery pack manufacturing, that still need to be worked out.

I've noticed a huge uptick in motorcycle ownership in PA. Those of us who cannot afford or want an EV are switching over to things with 2 wheels.

Oil and gas isn't subject to shortages or energy crisis in any way?

Yes, a LOT of work to do.

I tolerate the issues of EV ownership because I chose to. I am a techie and my car doesn't affect my work in any day. I don't move lumber or trailers around, I live around a lot of city infrastructure, I don't run a business that requires my car to be reliable.

I do agree with point of views around here that the government shoving and "EV is better" narrative on the population is not right with current state of technology.

I guess I can agree with you'all in a bunch of things. Except, pOwEr GrIdd cAn'T tAkE iT

Wait until the state and feds breach 4 of the lower snake hydro dams and reduce power in NW US by 11%, and wait until political forces start sending WA power to CA, then you'll "buy" it. You might even "buy" it for real when your dead EV can't take you to the hospital if an ambulance isn't available because EMTs are quitting all over WA.

CA is already having mass brownouts and even blackouts. As I said, they got approval for SHORT TERM GAS POWER PLANTS. There is no environmentally worse or more inefficient way to generate power than that. That's how bad things are already and how desperate the short sighted delusional libtards are, why would we want to add an even heavier load to the power grid than we already have?