Nord Stream: Fourth leak found as Russia and West trade blame over alleged sabotage of gas pipeline ... Still can't call it fact, feel free to stick your head in the sand
No reason to stick the head in the sand. Just do not see any reason for a rush to conclusions, considering that international investigation by allied Navies I'm sure is underway. Such sabotage would be a serious matter and potentially new terrorist threat and everybody is interested to determine what's going on. Everybody should get comfortable and have some popcorn. The truth will come out. Well, conspiracy theorists excluded - have a ball... :)
At this point it could be clearly obvious Russia blew it up, but there isn't shit anyone could do, and Putin wouldn't lose any sleep or repercussions for it. It doesn't matter to point blame, it'll be a waste of energy to investigate, Putin is sitting back laughing at it all. Like the war crimes, it's a feel good attempt to bring light to the world of the war atrocities perpetrated by Putin. That will go absolutely nowhere, because it's the new world order USSR, and the bitch has nukes and controls by fear.
Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:08 am
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Russia declares 'All your Donbass are belong to us'...
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:52 am
Gman
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Russia declares 'All your Donbass are belong to us'...
Good luck with that.
Somebody set us up the bomb!!!
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Thomas Paine wrote:
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:18 am
JohnMBrowning
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Not sure how to parse that. How can you "declare a war" via proxy? "Go tell this big guy we're at war with him" :D
Chickens are clucking but nobody clucks how do the chickens go back to "normal" after allowing a bloody conquest of a madman to happen with a weak army and under threat of nukes? Friendship and gas again? Are you forgetting pre-war ultimatum? To shrink NATO to 1991 membership? Go expel these countries too to fend for themselves... "Hey you - go do Warsaw Pact or something"... What else can you do to keep Putin happy and his hands off his button? Dance naked on his parties?... Or else!... "Adults in the room"? More like chickens in a coop....
Try that and see how it worked out for everybody since then:
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Ok, let’s dig deeper: Global elites and banksters ordered their puppets Putin and Zelensky to ignite new War.
Putin's nobody's puppet. What Putin does - war for imperial nationalistic conquest - is a full antithesis and a challenge to globalism. Unlike China, for example, Russia itself was never part of a global order. As late McCaine used to dismissively call it - a "gas station for Europe". Yes Russian oligarchy has the same trapping of wealth - superyachts etc. - but it's internally generated by old-fashioned trade of its natural resources. Nothing they depend on or use specifically from US-led global world order. And nothing good they have to say about this global order. They want to change it. They want everybody respect their nukes again and rule again. So no - this is not orchestrated by "globalist" elites. It is a bid to re-make the world order in revanche for humiliation of losing Cold War. The same way as WW2 was a revanche for Germany's humiliating defeat in WW1. The Putin's time since around 2005+ in Russia was often referred to as "Russia rising from her knees". Behold the Putin's ass now! Round #2. Carribean Crisis #2....
True "Globalist elites" are pissing their pants right now... You'll see... :) This country of castrated boys is not allowed to have a pair.... :)
_________________ “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
Ok, let’s dig deeper: Global elites and banksters ordered their puppets Putin and Zelensky to ignite new War.
Putin's nobody's puppet. What Putin does - war for imperial nationalistic conquest - is a full antithesis and a challenge to globalism. Unlike China, for example, Russia itself was never part of a global order. As late McCaine used to dismissively call it - a "gas station for Europe". Yes Russian oligarchy has the same trapping of wealth - superyachts etc. - but it's internally generated by old-fashioned trade of its natural resources. Nothing they depend on or use specifically from US-led global world order. And nothing good they have to say about this global order. They want to change it. They want everybody respect their nukes again and rule again. So no - this is not orchestrated by "globalist" elites. It is a bid to re-make the world order in revanche for humiliation of losing Cold War. The same way as WW2 was a revanche for Germany's humiliating defeat in WW1. The Putin's time since around 2005+ in Russia was often referred to as "Russia rising from her knees". Behold the Putin's ass now! Round #2. Carribean Crisis #2....
True "Globalist elites" are pissing their pants right now... You'll see... :) This country of castrated boys is not allowed to have a pair.... :)
In every war the only winners are the banksters. Did you know that Russia paid off its debt for the WWII lend-lease only in 2006? It’s very handy skill - to be able to see the forest through the threes.
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In every war the only winners are the banksters. It’s very handy skill - to be able to see the forest behind threes.
"Banksters" are winners regardless - war or not :) Sure - the skill is handy. I'd add that it also pays to know where on the map this forest is... :)
_________________ “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
― Ronald ReaganOct. 27, 1964
Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:25 pm
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He explicitly did say that in his mobilization speech.
The West believes in the rule of law, human rights, rules based international relations, etc.
The East has never bought it. China, Russia, and even India are more about collectivism, rule by law, interest based foreign policy and don't even pretend to care about human rights.
We often fail to live up to our ideals,for which we can be called hypocrites. But to be a hypocrite you do at least have believe in the ideal you sometimes don't live up to.
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