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Pretty cogent argument if you ask me.


Its good to see people actually disregarding MSM's portrayal of Putin as some kind of 'delusional conqueror' hell bent on reforming mother Russia and actually LISTENING to him now..... Just like Trump, its hard to gain any traction and convince the common people when they are constantly attacked and berated by all sides of supposedly 'trusted reporter and analysts'.

Just wait until Putin pushes all the info on C19 that was gathered early on in the 'military action' that EVERYONE ignored the first time... I'm sure he's got much more damning info to come too.


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Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 am
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https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/10/01/mobil ... more-10039

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It is a neat trick that Russia and China are mobilizing and threatening war at the SAME TIME. It is another neat trick that Russia is engaged in a massive mobilization while NATO does not mobilize at all


Hard to really figure out from both sides what the hell is really going on. Not good to provoke Russia but Russia and Putin are not angels.



Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 pm
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https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/10/01/mobilizations-annexations-and-pipelines/#more-10039

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It is a neat trick that Russia and China are mobilizing and threatening war at the SAME TIME. It is another neat trick that Russia is engaged in a massive mobilization while NATO does not mobilize at all


Hard to really figure out from both sides what the hell is really going on. Not good to provoke Russia but Russia and Putin are not angels.



The lines just above your quote are interesting:

. Last week Putin ordered a “partial” mobilization of 300,000 reservists. The actual mobilization, however, is said to be much larger than this. Some experts are saying that 1.2 million men are being mobilized in Russia, including one million first-time conscripts. This was not supposed to be necessary for a Russian victory in Ukraine. This leads to some uncomfortable questions: what if Russia is using the Ukraine War to prepare for world war? What if the real target of these mobilizations is the United States? Taking a larger strategic view, what do we make of China’s mobilization, referred to by officials in Guangdong Province as “the transition from normal to war”?

If Putin is really mobilizing millions that does raise a question of what for. I saw where China ran military exercises but I did not see where China mobilized.


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Good questions. Some think Russia was planning on punching thru Ukraine to Eastern Europe. Don't know.

While China would go for the US while feigning for Taiwan. Speculation.


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According to your own statements...1.2 million. That doesn't justify the question of what would he do with "millions", since it doesn't yet exist.

Even if it did, Russia, as a nation state...
doesn't have the troop transport necessary to drop them on us. A European conquest alone would take millions. Fact check via Soviet motherland defence costs in WWII.

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https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/10/01/mobilizations-annexations-and-pipelines/#more-10039

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It is a neat trick that Russia and China are mobilizing and threatening war at the SAME TIME. It is another neat trick that Russia is engaged in a massive mobilization while NATO does not mobilize at all


Hard to really figure out from both sides what the hell is really going on. Not good to provoke Russia but Russia and Putin are not angels.



The lines just above your quote are interesting:

. Last week Putin ordered a “partial” mobilization of 300,000 reservists. The actual mobilization, however, is said to be much larger than this. Some experts are saying that 1.2 million men are being mobilized in Russia, including one million first-time conscripts. This was not supposed to be necessary for a Russian victory in Ukraine. This leads to some uncomfortable questions: what if Russia is using the Ukraine War to prepare for world war? What if the real target of these mobilizations is the United States? Taking a larger strategic view, what do we make of China’s mobilization, referred to by officials in Guangdong Province as “the transition from normal to war”?

If Putin is really mobilizing millions that does raise a question of what for. I saw where China ran military exercises but I did not see where China mobilized.


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I just don't see Putin taking anymore land that what he has already --- he's already annexed the land and the people.... which, if I'm not mistaken, they are happy about. Any talk about Putin 'crushing the rest of Ukraine on their way into the rest of Europe' are just complete nonsense.... HE DOSN'T WANT IT. Mobilizing troops to hold and protect the lands seized seems about right --- maybe more will be need if NATO starts to put their dick in there.... But I don't think they have the balls to do it without the US leading the way. Something tells me that even if XiJoe --- I mean Obummer --- wanted to move troops in, MUCH more rational minds in REAL control would never allow it.

Its going to get interesting!

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JohnMBrowning wrote:
I just don't see Putin taking anymore land that what he has already --- he's already annexed the land and the people.... which, if I'm not mistaken, they are happy about....


Absolutely not mistaken! Happy like a clam!

Just look at these happy <20% of pre-war population in Mariupol emerged from dust and soot happily voting for a ration from Russian "liberators". Democracy - no less...


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It isn't 1914 anymore...giving 1.2 million barely trained men rifles and sending them to the front is not a 21st Century conventional warfighting strategy. But...it's not a terrible occupation strategy, particularly in a very large contested zone.

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JohnMBrowning wrote:
Any talk about Putin 'crushing the rest of Ukraine on their way into the rest of Europe' are just complete nonsense.... HE DOSN'T WANT IT.


Finally - somebody who knows for sure what Putin "wants"! :) :bow:

Considering his proclamations since his 2007 Munich speech - all he really dreams of is a "new world order" where he's one of absolute rulers of his own empire.... The theme is literally in his every speech. But now - looking at us - buried in debt, with no economy, no ideals, no convictions, no history, no prestige, no freedom, no nationhood, no culture, left only with irrelevant personal pronouns - he's convinced - the West is done, his time has come. All the West can do now is to stick its sick head into the... ok, sand and HOPE for new rulers mercy... So it's really important to have somebody who knows what HE really wants!
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... as-annexed
Kremlin unclear on which parts of Ukraine it has ‘annexed’

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The Kremlin is still determining which areas of occupied Ukraine it has “annexed”, Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson has said, suggesting Russia does not know where its self-declared international borders are.

The surprising admission came in a phone call with journalists, during which Dmitry Peskov was peppered with requests to clarify to which Ukrainian territory Putin had laid claim at a pomp-filled Kremlin ceremony last week.


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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... r-AA12z27R
Russia no longer has full control of any of four ‘annexed’ Ukrainian provinces

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Russia no longer has full control of any of the four provinces of Ukraine it says it annexed last week after Ukrainian troops reportedly advanced dozens of kilometres in Kherson province in the south of the country and made additional gains in the east.

On Monday, the Russian military acknowledged that Kyiv’s forces had broken through in the Kherson region. It said the Ukrainian army and its “superior tank units” had managed to “penetrate the depths of our defence” around the villages of Zoltaya Balka and Alexsandrovka...


Apparently the "international borders" of annexed regions are indeed TBD :)

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Be afraid, be very afraid.... Putin's doomsday weapon is on the way...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... y-vanishes
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-n ... bor-report

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A top-of-the-line Russian nuclear-powered submarine has gone missing from its harbor in the Arctic along with its rumored "doomsday weapon," according to multiple reports.

NATO has reportedly warned members that Russia's Belgorod submarine no longer appeared to be operating out of its White Sea base, where it has been active since July. Officials warned that Russia may plan to test Belgorod's "Poseidon" weapons system, a drone equipped with a nuclear bomb that Russia has claimed is capable of creating a "radioactive tsunami," according to Italian media.

The drone can be deployed from the submarine at any time and detonated at a depth of 1 kilometer near a coastal city. Russian state media has claimed the device can create a 1,600-ft. wave that smashes into the coast and irradiates it.


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ ... r-AA12zRfN

Some interesting points on poking a bear...


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...Understanding the limits of understanding is essential because if you believe talking is the only solution to conflict (and not merely the most preferable one), your opponent will use talk solely to distract or delay.

More important, this view often fosters sympathy or even support for bad actors on the assumption that they’ve been unfairly misunderstood — and that America is to blame for foolishly “provoking” them, for example.

By confusing explanations for justifications of behavior — Putin feels surrounded! Iran wants a nuke to protect its regime! — this perspective often puts all of the blame for tensions or conflict on America or the West.

I’ve made this point many times before, usually as a critique of left-leaning opponents of American foreign policy who insisted that all tensions stemmed from our misunderstanding of our adversaries.

There’s still a lot of that on the left, but it’s now a much more bipartisan affair, with many on the right insisting that we are being “provocative” by aiding Ukraine.

To listen to some critics of American support for Ukraine, Putin is less a human being with the ability to make decisions and more like a force of nature or a wild animal. Like a grizzly that — understandably! — mauls someone who teases it, Putin is just doing what he must, like some Aesopian creature.

The right’s newfound fondness for Putin and its (in Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s memorable phrase) “blame America first” mind-set (much like the old Cold War left-wing versions) have much to do with ideological commitments that only tangentially have to do with foreign policy.

For many on the nationalist right, Putin plays the same role that Fidel Castro did for the socialist left — an avatar for a wholesale critique of America. They like him because Putin is “strong,” anti-gay, anti-woke and a Christian nationalist.

The hitch to all of this is that their understanding of Putin is little more than a fantasy...

...Obviously, we have to take nuclear threats from a sociopath seriously. But Putin is counting on his belief that America and the West are too weak and decadent to save him from a disaster of his own making. The last thing we should do is act like he understands us better than we understand ourselves.

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Been playing around on nuke maps and doing some research on current Russian nuclear weapons. Fun times. Most of the Russian tactical weapons are estimated to be in the 5-100 kiloton range
https://nukemap.org/nukemap/


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How big are their radioactive tsunami bombs?
I didn.t see that option in the blast map menu.

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Ukraine captured Davydiv Brid, a town on the road to Kherson, that is just outside HIMARS range from the city. Another 5 to 10 miles and they will have Kherson in range.


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