Have to agree, I could never vote for him again. If only he could have controlled his mouth and itchy Twitter finger... Hopefully, Desantis 2024!

I have to agree with Alpine on this.

On a personal level, I don't like Trump, didn't even way before he ran. He's an egotistical buffoon.

BUT...that bravado, loud mouth and brash way is exactly what was needed to connect with normal people.

He became the obnoxious person to represent how a lot of us felt and were to polite to be.

While he definitely made some dumbass moves and made some even dumber statements, I genuinely feel he had the American way of life and America first mindset.

Was he the ideal 2A candidate/President? NO...but he damn sure had the right intent by getting 3...yes 3, conservative judges on the SCOTUS...that in and of itself is the grand prize for his administration. Because without that, Alpine's scenario of a Hillary presidency would be a sad and dismal reality.

Was Trump perfect? Oh hell no...but we coulda done a lot worse.

Let's not kid ourselves, Trump didn't pick the justices because they're pro-gun. He picked them because they're the judges suggested to him by his advisors, who picked originalists. Kavanaugh in particular was recommended in part to appease Kennedy. Coney Barrett was picked because she is an originalist and a woman.

That's not to cast aspersions on any of the sitting justices, every single person on SCOTUS is an incredibly intelligent and accomplished jurist (even the ones I disagree with politically). But they're not there because of Trump; likely the same ones would be there regardless of which Republican had won in 2016.

If there is anyone you should thank or criticize for the current makeup of the court, it's Mitch McConnell.

Yeah, I'm actually in agreement here. Also not a fan of Trump's personality, but it's precisely what got him elected and saved us from 4 years of HRC. He definitely loves this country and fought for its values. I can tolerate a few things I don't like about someone when I know their heart is in the right place. Like Alpine said, you can't let perfect be the enemy of good. He was one of the best presidents this country has had, in terms of policy, in a long time. Having said that, I believe that chapter is closed, and should remain that way.