I support business owners and citizens doing their part to dispose of trash.

I’m really curious as to the legal updates of this as they come. Understand it was vegas. In WA you can defend against a felony but what lethal force or threat did they show? Can people ransacking a place have lethal force used against them to stop them? TW that’s not a question for you to answer.

Hopefully the fact that the guy jumped over the counter towards the clerk helps establish the need for deadly force in self defense.

SO..I never knew Nguyen was pronounced "Win" when I sttarted working for boing boing boing in 1979.
Around 1989, I worked with a guy in tooling that I thought his last name as "Guy-en" (pronounced) He promptly called me out in a crew meeting and called me "Mr. NEL-Sooon" Everyone laughed.

From that day foward, I knew Nguyen was "Win".

He’ll be ok. The robbers look and sound white.

Not a legal expert, but I think Castle Doctrine only applies to your home, or vehicle.

Possibly in a business, the four conditions must all be met:

The non-aggressor reasonably believed he/she faced death or great bodily harm; and

The aggressor presented an urgent and pressing danger; and

A reasonable person in the non-aggressor’s position would also fear for his/her life and safety; and

The non-aggressor was not merely acting out of revenge.

There was a disparity of force, 2 of them, 1 of him, plus the guy in the white shirt was bigger.

He also has no way of knowing what they will do after the robbery, maybe they would decide not to leave any witnesses.

Guy in the white shirt was running out of the door already prior to the back stabbing. Definitely didn’t look like a two on one situation.

Immediately faced with the closer aggressor, it could be easily argued that he had a loss of perception of more than one threat at a time. Tunnel vision is real.

None of that's my actual opinion of what I saw, just playing devil's advocate.

That along with his calm demeanor, no visible presence of weapons and everyones body language. You can’t argue that the stabbing was not the calmest shit you’ve seen lately. He didn’t yell or anything. He was just tired of this shit.

We’ve seen plenty of videos lately of mobs grabbing merchandise off shelves and run out the door. A jury could say thats what a reasonable person would have assumed would happen.

Had the employee of the store shown the blade beforehand and one still jumped the counter, for sure. But they just kinda stood around like a bunch of retards.

Again, I am all for trash being disposed of, but socially this don’t look great - and remember society is who will judge you in court and media.

He wasn’t running in the beginning.

And he could have been going to get help from a car, a guy watching the door, or going to get a gun.

The point is, there were at least 2 robbers to begin with, and 1 was bigger.

He didn’t know their end game, and most likely lost track of the 2nd guy while wrestling with the first.

Not all Asians are Ninjas…

I do what I want.

Are you talking legally, or morally?

Morally? Should be good to go in every state, IMO. You do what you have to do to protect your property and your living. Especially heat of the moment. Popping someone in the back of the head as they steal a snickers bar? Not so much.


I believe in WA there is a reasonable force standard... The force must not be more than necessary to repel the attack.

Legally? ehhhh.....

Some states outright allow lethal force to prevent felonies, and theoretically, so does WA, however activist judges pretty much gutted the law.

https://govt.westlaw.com/wcrji/Document ... sc.Default)

Outright? Yikes. I can’t remember a pre “activist judge” era in my lifetime where you could shoot someone for committing tax fraud in your presence.

You may have been able to “dispose” of “trash” at Auschwitz, but in the US, juveniles stealing nicotine products isn’t punishable by death. The only justifiable reason for stabbing someone 7 times in your store is because someone has the intent, means, and opportunity to cause death or great bodily harm. Otherwise you’re acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

Stealing a man's livelihood, his means to feed himself and his family... that's an attack on one's ability to live and thrive.

That's akin to threatening one's life.

Buh-buh-but Insurance or some lame shit. Zero fucks given for asshole punk. These retailers are under constant assault. Courts can coddle these predators all they want but citizens will step up as a result.