Charity is fine when its voluntary. Most of modern human history has been awful for most people with coercion, slavery and usually fuedalism at best. Having churches tax the shit out of local peasants to redistribute resources was never noble.

We don't belong to each other. We're not each other's keepers. I don't see the right to other people's shit in the constitution. Don't even get me started on the history of the income tax amendment or the ratification circus that followed and the bullshit court decisions on it.

Ok, you have some special, unique personal feelings about social security. So what. It's a tax, it's collected the same way most other taxes are, from your paycheck.

10000000x more "bargains" and promises have been broken. And it won't be me who "breaks" it, it will be the parasites who bankrupt SS assisted by the political factory that is the one that wants to keep it around the most. Much of everyone else came to terms that it's not sustainable and it will be gone soon so kill it now before it sucks money from even more victims.

I have to pay off debts from corruption and bad government policy I never would have agreed with from before I was born. Trying to guilt me into giving a pass to a policy as stupid and as doomed as social security isn't going to work. The sooner we end this real life government ponzi scheme the better. The thing about ponzi schemes is that when they collapse some people get screwed. Get over it.

They weren't getting anything bad past the filibuster, all congress ever does under either party these days is run up more debt.

The courts have a shot at making my life better by applying Bruen to the mag ban and other things WA is doing.

At the Federal level right now all I care is who appoints those judges.

Apparently you haven't noticed the new dem candidate pledge for Senate races is a pledge to scrap the filibuster. If they steal Georgia too and then if either Manchin OR Sinema caves it's over. The House would be the only thing stopping it.

They say : "You don't tell me what to do and I'm not telling you where to go"... I'm not trying to "guilt you" into anything. Feel free to advocate that. See how many votes you get. Maybe it will be a winning strategy for you. I'm just stating the fact we're not from the same "party" here. I hope you can get over it.

And here's how "doomed" SS is. (I wish the rest of budget was as balanced with tax collections as this) :

Oh looky - that damned "welfare" again...

I been getting calls from 206-205 (local government) which are totally unhelpful. Pick up and it says this message is for so and so,… press 1 to talk to blah blah or press 2 for questions, doesn’t say what the call is about. USPS informed delivery let me know I got a ballot signature challenge in the mail. This is after I mailed in their stupid request for 2 of my signatures so they can compare to ballots.

Ya that's not talking about giving stuff taken from people who earned it to others, it's talking about the well-being of the country as a whole. Tired of seeing libs misconstrue that.

Sure are a lot of libs here now. Most of them from a few years ago took off when Hitlery lost and when King County committed to gun confiscation as soon as state preemption allowed it. Now that there's a new push to gut state preemption I'll ask you the same question they wouldn't answer, will you turn in your guns to Dow Constantine and Joe McDermott?

Yeah, I'm not any kind of "lib" but I just cannot see poor American elders dying w/o care or SS income or them using their guns in a suicide for a dignified exit as good for "well-being of the country as a whole", sorry. YMMV.

I don't have many guns to turn in. Those I do have I hope would not become involved in a boating accident in a Puget Sound. So I'd support pro-2A policy or a politician. But NOT at the expense of SS or some other misguided libertarian wet dream of "ideal world"... Man's got to know his priorities. :) Again - yours are yours, mine are mine. :)

GOP now looks to me as a party marching through a minefield and tripping every one on it loosing limb by limb. As much as I hate Ds - they, unlike R, got their shit together for their base. Don't see much happening for Rs.

Your frustration with understanding a "general welfare" clause in Constitution is not new. In 1729 :) Congress proposed a law encouraging cod fishery - and some arguments were made based on a "general welfare" clause. In 1729. :)

James Madison was objecting and made correct predictions:

In your quote, 'ole Perchie, Madison clearly stated there would be negative consequences to the state collecting taxes and applying them to welfare, in which everything could be construed as welfare, and therefore, the government would assume powers and control not desirable to the average citizen. He certainly was not advocating for welfare oversight by government.

He was right, hence, the situation we find ourselves in. Cap in hand, waiting for a pittance relative to what was paid in withholding tax for decades to the government, watching tax dollars get spent on the most ridiculous follies imaginable.

Representation is dead, all elected representatives have determined now that being voted into office gives them a " mandate " to do whatever they damm well please, while looting the piggie bank for their own cushy retirements.

By the People, Of the People, For the People - is quaint history. Oaths of office - are of no value or consequence.

Social Security will flow until it doesn't. There are no guarantees. Ask all the workers who had company pensions that got shit canned by the gutting and sell off of corporate assets by the financial industry in which responsibility for pensions was flushed down the toilet. That will happen to Social Security as well. It will be someone else fault, forever, with no recourse. Get used to it.

Sure. Just don't ask me to vote for SS to be gone :) I won't. I'm not a crook. :) That was a start of this small side discussion.

Democrats have been accusing Republicans of wanting to dismantle Social Security for more than 30 years, and it’s never been true.

It rolls around every election cycle to try and sway older voters.

There are a myriad of articles about it.

Here’s yet another recent one.

Stop drinking the kool-aid…

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 48420.html

Thanks, I suspected Alpine is working for Dems all along... Drinking kool-aid now... :)

Sorry, I don't work for you.

Yeah, me and NWGunner already established that. You work for Dems, silly... Scaring old people away from Rs...

Social security shouldn't be a retirement plan.