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What has pissed you off today?
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3584ELK
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Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1253
Real Name: Mark
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jukk0u wrote: JohnMBrowning wrote: Thats pretty much it ---- when my water heater let loose ~1.5 years ago, a $600 water heater from HD was quoted at ~$1200 for install --- pretty much a racket for the plumbers - 2 hour job for big bucks. Thank god my neighbor helped me put it in - its not hard but if you haven't done it before, its daunting. Absentee landlords (happily) pay the going rates to not have to deal with it. customers who gauge a job by the time it takes the tradesman while on their job site with no credit for: - time loading tools and parts - time to get to the job in order to assess and gather a parts list - time to listen to client's inane stories about little tiger bringing decapitated swallows and leaving them as gifts... and stories about how slick (or bad) the last plumber was and any stories attached to said broken item - time to go to and from the parts store wait in lines... - time spent doing the invoicing, the banking and the books... - nor any credit for the time it took to gather the skills to perform the tasks. No mention is made of the time it took the plumber to take your old tank to the scrap yard. Bonds, insurance, vehicles, tools... all carry costs. Similar to gun buyers complaining about prices and transfer costs- no concept of the work behind the scenes.
_________________"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4836
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jukk0u wrote: JohnMBrowning wrote: Thats pretty much it ---- when my water heater let loose ~1.5 years ago, a $600 water heater from HD was quoted at ~$1200 for install --- pretty much a racket for the plumbers - 2 hour job for big bucks. Thank god my neighbor helped me put it in - its not hard but if you haven't done it before, its daunting. Absentee landlords (happily) pay the going rates to not have to deal with it. customers who gauge a job by the time it takes the tradesman while on their job site with no credit for: - time loading tools and parts - time to get to the job in order to assess and gather a parts list - time to listen to client's inane stories about little tiger bringing decapitated swallows and leaving them as gifts... and stories about how slick (or bad) the last plumber was and any stories attached to said broken item - time to go to and from the parts store wait in lines... - time spent doing the invoicing, the banking and the books... - nor any credit for the time it took to gather the skills to perform the tasks. No mention is made of the time it took the plumber to take your old tank to the scrap yard. Bonds, insurance, vehicles, tools... all carry costs. Truth be spoken!!!!
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:30 am |
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hkcavalier
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Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5495
Real Name: The Dude
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A lot of people simply do not understand the concept of a fair profit. Oddly, they're usually the folks that spend $89 on a pair of jeans with a production cost of around $15, or brand name shoes for $200 with a similar cost. But they think you should make $15/hr working on their project.
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:25 pm |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17822
Real Name: Chuck
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I don't have a problem with people making a fair wage, but jeeze. BTW I get a pair of pants and shoes for less than $50.
_________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:12 pm |
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
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JohnMBrowning wrote: I wasn't bagging on the plumbers (or any tradesman) with my comment --- I was merely pointing out the unusually high cost... that any self respecting MAN could handle easily with help from a fellow MAN. What REALLY pissed me off when I had to replace my heater was that HD was telling EVERYONE that 'unless the heater is PROFESSIONALLY installed, the warranty on the unit was VOIDED' --- TOTAL scare tactic - they were just trying to push their install services! I actually called up RHEEM to find out it that was true --- I was told 'NO worries, warranty is in place for self installed units'. I seem to recall a shortage/difficulty of plumber services around that time.... because they were all signing up to be approved installers for the big stores.
And you KNOW HD was keeping a good $100 off the top for referrals to the plumbers..... I know you're not ragging on them. Water heater costs have gone up in the recent years, so that's one reason for the cost. You can find plumbers that'll do a quick tank swap for under $1,000, or bid the job based on the actual work involved. They're out there. But the guys that'll charge, say, a flat $1200 or something, I've known a few plumbers that have that, or something close to it, as kind of a menu price. That covers them for nearly all the installs, from the ones that are easy plug-and-plays, to the ones that need to be put on a stand, put in a pan, have the T&P drain re-routed, have some 2x4's put on the wall and have earthquake straps installed, expansion tank installed, etc. The easy installs make up some slack for the harder installs. And yeah, anybody that tells you the warranty is only covered with professional install is full of it. I've done warranty exchanges on heaters of all kinds installed by people of all kinds. The big brands, Rheem, AO Smith/State, and Bradford White (though less so for BW) are well aware that their heaters are installed by average joe's every day. They know better.
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:25 pm |
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6217
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New fridge and freezer have their compressors on the top of the unit. Our old ones had their compressors on the bottom. So the appliance guys come in to install the new units and the cords coming out of the top of the units won’t reach the lower outlet location. And the goddamn factory says if you put on a longer cord it will void the warranty. So I had to move both outlets up 7 feet. Who is the hell has outlets 84” off the floor for their fridge and freezer? Assholes.
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:52 pm |
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
Real Name: George Bailey
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And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up.
_________________ "Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed."......Carl Marx
"Let us Cross the river and sit in the shade of the trees" .....Stonewall Jackson
T. Jefferson "....the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure"
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:36 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18474
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WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. Less traffic = higher cost per user You'd think it'd be less wear and tear as well, thus, lower costs, but they don't look at it that way. They see that they made X$, and anything less than X$ is a loss.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:51 pm |
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JohnMBrowning
Location: Bothell Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2015 Posts: 4882
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TechnoWeenie wrote: WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. Less traffic = higher cost per user You'd think it'd be less wear and tear as well, thus, lower costs, but they don't look at it that way. They see that they made X$, and anything less than X$ is a loss. Stop trying to justify it with simple logic --- we want to be pissed about it.... rabble rabble rabble
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:07 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18474
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JohnMBrowning wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. Less traffic = higher cost per user You'd think it'd be less wear and tear as well, thus, lower costs, but they don't look at it that way. They see that they made X$, and anything less than X$ is a loss. Stop trying to justify it with simple logic --- we want to be pissed about it.... rabble rabble rabble Ask K-mart how it worked out for them when they were getting less traffic and raised the prices to make more profit from each customer...
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:26 pm |
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9milli
Location: Tukwila Joined: Wed Sep 9, 2020 Posts: 77
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WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. I'm honestly not surprised. It also worries me that they eventually want to add more tolls elsewhere.
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:48 pm |
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
Real Name: George Bailey
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9milli wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: JohnMBrowning wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. Less traffic = higher cost per user You'd think it'd be less wear and tear as well, thus, lower costs, but they don't look at it that way. They see that they made X$, and anything less than X$ is a loss. Stop trying to justify it with simple logic --- we want to be pissed about it.... rabble rabble rabble Ask K-mart how it worked out for them when they were getting less traffic and raised the prices to make more profit from each customer... I'm honestly not surprised. It also worries me that they eventually want to add more tolls elsewhere. Man I gotta quit listening to KVI Constantine is giving the Convention Center 100 million dollars for relief funds.... RE: no conventions. And Wilbur just had some guy on that watches what the Wa DOR is doing and what they're taxing. He is that saying that they're looking at what they're now calling the Privilege Tax. This tax is one that people that used to commute to work and are now working from home will pay because they're no longer using roads, HOV Lanes, buses, Bridges and Gasoline. Holy Crap..........
_________________ "Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed."......Carl Marx
"Let us Cross the river and sit in the shade of the trees" .....Stonewall Jackson
T. Jefferson "....the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure"
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 pm |
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
Real Name: George Bailey
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................ Oh and for me the Olympics are DONE. If Ice Dancing wasnt bad enough... (Before you get all twisted about your favorite sport...how the f do they judge Ice Dancing.) Soooooooooooooo, How about Break Dancing as a sport? Again a TOTALLY Subjective 'sport'. And a "Sport"? Really? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/o ... 849970001/
_________________ "Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed."......Carl Marx
"Let us Cross the river and sit in the shade of the trees" .....Stonewall Jackson
T. Jefferson "....the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure"
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:14 pm |
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Rix86
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Location: Shelton Joined: Sun Nov 17, 2013 Posts: 5838
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WaJim wrote: ................
(Before you get all twisted about your favorite sport...how the f do they judge Ice Dancing.)
/ Uuhhh.... Judgilishously
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:30 pm |
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Selador
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Location: Index Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 Posts: 12963
Real Name: Jeff
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TechnoWeenie wrote: JohnMBrowning wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WaJim wrote: ................
And here come the increases.
Just on the Radio.
520 and other pay to go tolls are going up. Less traffic = higher cost per user You'd think it'd be less wear and tear as well, thus, lower costs, but they don't look at it that way. They see that they made X$, and anything less than X$ is a loss. Stop trying to justify it with simple logic --- we want to be pissed about it.... rabble rabble rabble Ask K-mart how it worked out for them when they were getting less traffic and raised the prices to make more profit from each customer... Harbor freight seems to be following that same model...
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