Always said another Ruby Ridge or WACO would start

[munchie]

Tyrant BJ givers!!!!!!

[cityslicker]

[XDM9cWA]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

[munchie]

These people have hatred in their voices, it's going to get out of hand. I dont see any 30-30's yet but I bet the guys with those will be there soon

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

I think the rancher is relying on the TAYLOR grazing act of 1933 or 34. I forget. But it gave a grandfather clause to ranchers at the time who were currently using and maintaining certain parcels. That law is still in effect, It would appear that that the old guy was paying until the feds decided to protect a turtle. I would compare this, just for brevity, to the folks up in skagit valley a few years back that lived and worked on their farm for 20 years then one day a bald eagle builds a nest in one of the trees on their property, and the state and the feds told them they had to leave. If that happened to me I would stop paying my property taxes too.
just spit ballin here, I dont know for sure. But I do know that people are going to die unless they straiten this out real soon.

[Tofan]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

His family has been using that same piece of land since the 1800s for their cattle to graze on without paying a fee to use land that until 1993 wasn't a problem. Why because some rare turtles can have 600k acres to themselves? He was and has been paying a fee to the county in which the land lies on. To also have 200 armed federal agents with m4s surround his ranch over a cow feeding on grass? Crazy.

[XDM9cWA]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

His family has been using that same piece of land since the 1800s for their cattle to graze on without paying a fee to use land that until 1993 wasn't a problem. Why because some rare turtles can have 600k acres to themselves? He was and has been paying a fee to the county in which the land lies on. To also have 200 armed federal agents with m4s surround his ranch over a cow feeding on grass? Crazy.

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

[danoh]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

I'll take a shot at this.............

All the Free Range Ranchers use the open range as part of their business model. If you lose access to the land, you are out of business. ALL done. No longer able to pay for anything. Bankruptcy. Over the years, and different administrations (meaning different priorities), little things were said, in frustrations and anger.... and its getting to be a huge issue. Anything that come to interfere with their way of life, is viewed the same way we view our gun rights. Meaning give an inch here, an inch there, and pretty soon..... "Houston, we have a problem".

I totally get it..... Why? Because I'm in EXACTLY the same situation.

I work at Tacoma Narrows Airport. I built a hangar there. A business too. Alot of my Sweat and Blood has gone into it. For over 25 years. I have customers located at the airport, and I have customers that fly in. I have a few that drive in. Not a lot, admittedly. In the begining there was NO gate preventing people to come onto the airport. We started having problems. So a gate was put up. This was done with the explicit understanding that the gate had to be open during business hours.

To make a long and convoluted story short. A new airport administration has decided that it was time for 24/7 security. So the gate was shut preventing customer from off the airport from driving up to my office..... Uhhh.... EXCUSE ME ?????

It got real nasty. I started "taping the sensor" to keep the gate open. They would pull the tape off, if they knew I wasn't watching them. It finally came to a head..... and I had to start yelling at a couple of public servants just exactly just how far I'm willing to take this. Public Servants don't care. They get paid. I don't get paid as much, if I start getting less customers. Plus I viewed this as a "control issue". Meaning you had to have county permission, before you could drive up to my business. How would you like it, if you as a customer were denied access to a bank, or grocery store, that the county had gated, but you wanted to access it?

New draft regulations are being written up for the airport. One of the new rules makes it subject to arrest, if the gate is tampered with in any way, shape or form. Needless to say...... this soap opera is still ongoing.

Yah, I get it. Totally. I totally get why those people are upset, and for good reason too.

If you still don't get it....................... Then I can't help you, and you will never understand.

[danoh]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

His family has been using that same piece of land since the 1800s for their cattle to graze on without paying a fee to use land that until 1993 wasn't a problem. Why because some rare turtles can have 600k acres to themselves? He was and has been paying a fee to the county in which the land lies on. To also have 200 armed federal agents with m4s surround his ranch over a cow feeding on grass? Crazy.

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

one more thing............. my hangar is on public land too...... (and I'm paying for it as well.) and what you just said........... is extremely offensive.

[XDM9cWA]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

His family has been using that same piece of land since the 1800s for their cattle to graze on without paying a fee to use land that until 1993 wasn't a problem. Why because some rare turtles can have 600k acres to themselves? He was and has been paying a fee to the county in which the land lies on. To also have 200 armed federal agents with m4s surround his ranch over a cow feeding on grass? Crazy.

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

one more thing............. my hangar is on public land too...... (and I'm paying for it as well.) and what you just said........... is extremely offensive.

Meant no offense... but obviously you are in the same boat as them so I get why you feel that way...

[Marine3%er]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

So over some cattle rights and turtles you can point guns at my family and assemble a small army of LE ? Well I have said it many times on here most on this sight will always take the Govs side and when the time comes not over cattle but for your guns there will be piles of them handed over when is it Ok for people to stand up for them selves and not be bullied by the Gov

[XDM9cWA]

so basically a person is profiting from use of public property and wants to continue doing so without paying any fees or respecting said pubic property...

it was never his to begin with... he basically used the land for free (almost as fees for rights are minuscule) and now that it's taken away he is complaining?

so how different is it from EBT being given for free and if it is taken away people complain it is their right to have EBT cards?

I'm probably missing something here so please educate me if I'm misinterpreting the situation..

So over some cattle rights and turtles you can point guns at my family and assemble a small army of LE ? Well I have said it many times on here most on this sight will always take the Govs side and when the time comes not over cattle but for your guns there will be piles of them handed over when is it Ok for people to stand up for them selves and not be bullied by the Gov

hold on there... at which point did I side with the govt?

here's the problem with some of you guys here.. you can't have anybody ask questions that don't tow the standard line and not get upset about it... if we are to be informed, we have to learn to ask questions that may lead to us agreeing or not... otherwise we're just puppets... no different than libtards...

some of us don't get it (me) , and I honestly asked for more info.. some replied and explained cattle rights and that helped... but then danoh calls me offensive and you then declare I'm a govt tool...

seriously some of you guys on this site need to learn how to read... just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am against you... but I'm not the kind of guy that buys a line just because it's sold to me that way...


I am not on the govt side... I'm just trying to understand the premise of private exclusive use of public land/resource and how that is an undeniable right guaranteed by the constitution...

I honestly don't know... I ask some questions and now I'm offensive and now I'm on the govt side?

so let's keep this civil and factual.. some here have experience and info on this and that's helpful... if you're just here to rant, rant.. but don't start labeling me because I don't line up with you..

[silvermane_1]

nah, there isn't going to be a CW2 until the "sheeple" are hurting, and then it will way to late.

[XDM9cWA]

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

one more thing............. my hangar is on public land too...... (and I'm paying for it as well.) and what you just said........... is extremely offensive.

I guess I'm now curious what is offensive about my question? you didn't even give me a chance to comment on your situation.. I certainly get your point in your particular issue... and actually get it... but to call me offensive because I dared ask a question?

[The DUDE Abides]

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

one more thing............. my hangar is on public land too...... (and I'm paying for it as well.) and what you just said........... is extremely offensive.

I guess I'm now curious what is offensive about my question? you didn't even give me a chance to comment on your situation.. I certainly get your point in your particular issue... and actually get it... but to call me offensive because I dared ask a question?

[danoh]

I get the part where he had been doing it for generations... does that make it a right? Or a privilege granted that can be revoked?

Still doesn't change that is public land and therefore not his...it's one thing if they make you leave your land although that may be the ultimate goal?

Just curious how this is different than other more urban situations

one more thing............. my hangar is on public land too...... (and I'm paying for it as well.) and what you just said........... is extremely offensive.

I guess I'm now curious what is offensive about my question? you didn't even give me a chance to comment on your situation.. I certainly get your point in your particular issue... and actually get it... but to call me offensive because I dared ask a question?

the statement was offensive to me, not you personally. I guess the best way to put this..... some of us... are a little closer to the line........... or another way to put it...."wear it on the cuff"?? Same thing with the video. If you all walked up, and said: "Hey, how's it going? Y'all having a good day?" You'd be looked like you were from Mars.

I got it the first time you posted. I said that I would take a shot at it. And I did, as best as I could. I guess my feeling is that doing it for generations............ DOES make it a right. ( I think its called Grandfathering, as an example. Like water rights. Or customer access, in my case. ). Airports are certainly more urban. But the second post around, it was just too much. Like the Ranchers, I'm emotionally involved, because there are people coming in, that's got no skin in it, and telling him (or me)............ you can't do that anymore. Those kinds of people can take it and shove it where the sun don't shine, because they don't give a rats ass about the investments involved. In my personal case, I'm talking in the very high 6 figure investment. When people start messing with it, and tell me what they are going to do with it, without my permission or due process............... I'm going to get pretty upset, just like the ranchers will.... there IS an investment in there, it's just not obvious.

Yes, I agree. There are people on the forums that get upset, that you DARED to ask a simple question. Sometimes it's missed, or an assumption is made..... and you get jumped...... for not toeing the line, as you call it. This is the best I can explain it...... If it's not good enough, then I apologise for not articulating my thoughts or words good enough. I tried.