Always said another Ruby Ridge or WACO would start

[General Nonsense]

Two can play that game apparently.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/15/3426702/militant-former-sheriff-planned-to-put-women-up-at-the-front-if-violence-erupted-in-ranch-showdown-with-feds/

We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.

[Sparkeee1978]

that is my take on things as well Dustin. I watched the livestreams real time, and it seamed that the newer Ideas about the paddy wagon showing up and accessory vehicles are correct, but the timeline is all wrong. They where from Vegas, and held up in traffic, and arrived after the cattle were released, but the same day, then turned around and left eventually. I don;t think these were (directly) associated with the BLM federal guys. There were BLM, and other alphabet agencies on site first for the actual planned raid/cattle roundup on their part... then things changed, with county sheriff showing up, and I believe he called in re-enforcements from the nearest big city, or the state troopers did, including that swat vehicle which showed up hours ahead of the paddy wagon prison bus.

so you have BLM / alphabet federal agency guys (and obviously private contract security agents)
and you have county sheriff guys
and you have state troopers
and you have swat from the nearest big city
and you have paddy wagon / party bus from the nearest big city

I think those are all the players involved.... on that side of the issue. And I don;t think they should all be lumped in together. Each group did different things through all this. timing is critical when discussing all of this as well. and some of the differing accounts don;t have real world timestamps on video or footage, so what we see today could have happened friday or early saturday or late saturday... or now. just trying to keep things grounded. Brian

[PMB]

Here's a piece that I don't understand...

Assuming that there were PMC there, who would have called them in and why? It's not like the BLM doesn't have enough people, or enough other .Gov folks to draw upon for assistance.

Maybe they were not PMC?

I would prefer to accept that things are just the way that they appear on the face... and that this is a simple disagreement about fees, trespass cattle, tortoises and stiff-necked humans.

But I don't believe that anymore.

[FattyKrack]

that is my take on things as well Dustin. I watched the livestreams real time, and it seamed that the newer Ideas about the paddy wagon showing up and accessory vehicles are correct, but the timeline is all wrong. They where from Vegas, and held up in traffic, and arrived after the cattle were released, but the same day, then turned around and left eventually. I don;t think these were (directly) associated with the BLM federal guys. There were BLM, and other alphabet agencies on site first for the actual planned raid/cattle roundup on their part... then things changed, with county sheriff showing up, and I believe he called in re-enforcements from the nearest big city, or the state troopers did, including that swat vehicle which showed up hours ahead of the paddy wagon prison bus.

so you have BLM / alphabet federal agency guys (and obviously private contract security agents)
and you have county sheriff guys
and you have state troopers
and you have swat from the nearest big city
and you have paddy wagon / party bus from the nearest big city

I think those are all the players involved.... on that side of the issue. And I don;t think they should all be lumped in together. Each group did different things through all this. timing is critical when discussing all of this as well. and some of the differing accounts don;t have real world timestamps on video or footage, so what we see today could have happened friday or early saturday or late saturday... or now. just trying to keep things grounded. Brian

Very true. And fancy THIS, an electrician... Trying to keep it grounded. :)

[SIG556]

that is my take on things as well Dustin. I watched the livestreams real time, and it seamed that the newer Ideas about the paddy wagon showing up and accessory vehicles are correct, but the timeline is all wrong. They where from Vegas, and held up in traffic, and arrived after the cattle were released, but the same day, then turned around and left eventually. I don;t think these were (directly) associated with the BLM federal guys. There were BLM, and other alphabet agencies on site first for the actual planned raid/cattle roundup on their part... then things changed, with county sheriff showing up, and I believe he called in re-enforcements from the nearest big city, or the state troopers did, including that swat vehicle which showed up hours ahead of the paddy wagon prison bus.

so you have BLM / alphabet federal agency guys (and obviously private contract security agents)
and you have county sheriff guys
and you have state troopers
and you have swat from the nearest big city
and you have paddy wagon / party bus from the nearest big city

I think those are all the players involved.... on that side of the issue. And I don;t think they should all be lumped in together. Each group did different things through all this. timing is critical when discussing all of this as well. and some of the differing accounts don;t have real world timestamps on video or footage, so what we see today could have happened friday or early saturday or late saturday... or now. just trying to keep things grounded. Brian

Very true. And fancy THIS, an electrician... Trying to keep it grounded. :)

[mcyclonegt]

Two can play that game apparently.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/15/3426702/militant-former-sheriff-planned-to-put-women-up-at-the-front-if-violence-erupted-in-ranch-showdown-with-feds/

We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.

When I saw this guy say this on Fox I almost shit my pants. This is the most chicken shit thing I saw out of this whole deal.

[dusty]

Bundy owes "range Fees"..........I wonder if the Drug Cartels and the Coyotes have to pay BLM "Transportation Fees".....nah, they get a free "O" pass...

[cityslicker]

[cityslicker]

New footage from earlier in the week.

[General Nonsense]

Looks like the Feds are gearing up.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/sheriff-mack-confirms-feds-are-planning-to-raid-bundy-homes-2938210.html?utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fl.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fb4in.info%252FiXPD%26h%3D7AQFzZREi%26s%3D1&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FiXPD

Breaking news: GMN has just learned from Sheriff Mack that the rumors of a raid on the Bundy family is indeed true, and he said that they are actually going to raid all of the Bundy family homes. According to Mack, the so-called retreat was nothing more than theatrics. “It was a ploy to get people to back off, to get people out of the way. They weren’t expecting us to get this amount of people here. They were surprised by the numbers and so they wanted a way to get us out of here. This was a ploy to get us out of here and then they’re going after the Bundys.

[PMB]

Looks like the Feds are gearing up.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/sheriff-mack-confirms-feds-are-planning-to-raid-bundy-homes-2938210.html?utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fl.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fb4in.info%252FiXPD%26h%3D7AQFzZREi%26s%3D1&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FiXPD

Breaking news: GMN has just learned from Sheriff Mack that the rumors of a raid on the Bundy family is indeed true, and he said that they are actually going to raid all of the Bundy family homes. According to Mack, the so-called retreat was nothing more than theatrics. “It was a ploy to get people to back off, to get people out of the way. They weren’t expecting us to get this amount of people here. They were surprised by the numbers and so they wanted a way to get us out of here. This was a ploy to get us out of here and then they’re going after the Bundys.

At this point I don't believe anything from either side.
If this story is true and .Gov "takes care of business" after tricking the protesters - what a terrific error, I predict.
Unless they are two steps ahead and already have plans for when the folks who were tricked fight back Marine style when they are facing a FAR stronger force.

[RENCORP]

I am willing to bet a lot of strategy minded folks stayed behind just because they smelled a rat in the BLM bail out.

The kind of folks who dig in, and make for serious resistance to strong arm government tactics.

If a bunch of Afghan farmers with Mosins and AK's could keep the entire US military at bay for 10 years in Afghanistan, what happens here?

Can a core group of trained ex military and determined militia members do better here in the USA ?

When it comes down to We The People, and the Constitution of The United States of America, fuck yeah.

[Marine3%er]

Well what happens know one knows . I don't trust the feds one bit. Like I said find a few good people train stock pile gear med supply's ammo. Study up and get into shape . Remember you don't have to win every fight just live to fight again. Big pitcher people when the bodys start stacking up and they are chasing ghosts there will maybe tested. Also everyone needs to get a scoped rifle and practice up this will be a war of accuracy

[RusoArmo]

HossUSMC, James Yeager and crew, Jim Fuller and many others are there... I don't think a "raid" is a good idea.

[dusty]

Another idea..http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/17 ... nse-court/