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sreyemj wrote:

NWRed wrote:That's poor planning at any price. If you're out of ammo, short of having it stolen or lost in a house fire, you're the only one to blame.

Seriously? At the start of this mess I had about 5,000 rounds of rimfire and was shooting about 300 rounds a week. When that ran out I shot only centerfire for awhile but eventually had to slow down and let me range membership expire due to the cost.

If you're out of ammo it's probably because unlike loser "prepper" types, you enjoy shooting sports and actually frequent a range.

Am I a little upset? Yes, some of my favorite firearms are rimfire. My only hope is that once all the Armslist flipping 8:00am Cabelas losers run out of their mom's money, the 50% increase in .22lr production will cause prices to fall below $20/500.

First , were you shooting guns in the fall of 2008? If not I suppose you could be excused for not buying more ammo.

So when the shelves were empty and there was a nationwide shortage of ammunition and reloading supplies in the winter/spring of 2013, you continued to shoot 300 rounds of 22LR a week for 13 weeks and then switched to centerfire. And it's someone else's fault you're out of ammo?

You are at the far end of the "poor planning" spectrum. Most people didn't buy any, yet you had plenty on hand had you slowed your pace yet insisted on maintaining your "lifestyle" regardless if you could resupply or afford to resupply, and it's "loser prepper type's" fault that you either can't easily find 22LR or aren't willing to pay current market price for .22LR at retail stores.

I'll assume you're spending the exact same amount of money on centerfire ammo since 22LR is unavailable at a price you're willing to pay. Roughly $60 a month for the .22 you would have shot.

Production cost on 22LR is a couple pennies per round less then last years retail, not much mark up on 22LR . I havent heard of any production increase but I havent looked into it a couple months either.

If you havent noticed the firearms market has been flooded with new 22LR firearms the last 5 or 6 years. Everyone has at least 1 22LR. During the '08 election shortage, the ONLY ammo available was 22LR and shotshells. AR-15 22conversion kits were unobtainable because 22LR was available and .223/5.56 wasn't. Prices went up and everything was hard to come by for several months. I have 4 AR 22 conversion kits, a 1911 22 conversion, between the boys and me 6 or 7 22rifles and 2 22 pistols.
Thats at least 13 22lr firearms in my possession, 22LRs are pretty popular if you havent caught on yet.

NWRed wrote:

sreyemj wrote:

NWRed wrote:That's poor planning at any price. If you're out of ammo, short of having it stolen or lost in a house fire, you're the only one to blame.

Seriously? At the start of this mess I had about 5,000 rounds of rimfire and was shooting about 300 rounds a week. When that ran out I shot only centerfire for awhile but eventually had to slow down and let me range membership expire due to the cost.

If you're out of ammo it's probably because unlike loser "prepper" types, you enjoy shooting sports and actually frequent a range.

Am I a little upset? Yes, some of my favorite firearms are rimfire. My only hope is that once all the Armslist flipping 8:00am Cabelas losers run out of their mom's money, the 50% increase in .22lr production will cause prices to fall below $20/500.

First , were you shooting guns in the fall of 2008? If not I suppose you could be excused for not buying more ammo.

So when the shelves were empty and there was a nationwide shortage of ammunition and reloading supplies in the winter/spring of 2013, you continued to shoot 300 rounds of 22LR a week for 13 weeks and then switched to centerfire. And it's someone else's fault you're out of ammo?

You are at the far end of the "poor planning" spectrum. Most people didn't buy any, yet you had plenty on hand had you slowed your pace yet insisted on maintaining your "lifestyle" regardless if you could resupply or afford to resupply, and it's "loser prepper type's" fault that you either can't easily find 22LR or aren't willing to pay current market price for .22LR at retail stores.

I'll assume you're spending the exact same amount of money on centerfire ammo since 22LR is unavailable at a price you're willing to pay. Roughly $60 a month for the .22 you would have shot.

Production cost on 22LR is a couple pennies per round less then last years retail, not much mark up on 22LR . I havent heard of any production increase but I havent looked into it a couple months either.

Let me explain my reasoning here. It's a fact that .22lr manufacturers are producing at least 150% of what they were previously (50% more). At the same time, far less .22lr ammo is being shot judging by all the people complaining about not being able to find any and my regular but less frequent trips to the range. At the same time people are price gouging for .22lr, so:

(Increased production) + (Less being shot) + (Gougers (who are not hording it)) = A cr@p load of .22lr is someone's basement

So what I'm saying is I don't really have a problem with the gougers, it's the people hording it (for some future need I assume, "preppers" maybe?) I have the issue with. They're the ones causing the shortage. Being prepared is a great idea. Being prepared with 50,000 rounds of .22lr is probably not, but don't take my word for it: Sierra's list of reasons you can't find .22lr starts with.... hoarders: http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2014 ... mmunition/

I'll start shooting rimfire again when it's more available, until then I have plenty of other things to work on. I know I've spent way more time reloading for centerfire rifles than I ever would have before.

sreyemj wrote:

NWRed wrote:

sreyemj wrote:

NWRed wrote:That's poor planning at any price. If you're out of ammo, short of having it stolen or lost in a house fire, you're the only one to blame.

Seriously? At the start of this mess I had about 5,000 rounds of rimfire and was shooting about 300 rounds a week. When that ran out I shot only centerfire for awhile but eventually had to slow down and let me range membership expire due to the cost.

If you're out of ammo it's probably because unlike loser "prepper" types, you enjoy shooting sports and actually frequent a range.

Am I a little upset? Yes, some of my favorite firearms are rimfire. My only hope is that once all the Armslist flipping 8:00am Cabelas losers run out of their mom's money, the 50% increase in .22lr production will cause prices to fall below $20/500.

First , were you shooting guns in the fall of 2008? If not I suppose you could be excused for not buying more ammo.

So when the shelves were empty and there was a nationwide shortage of ammunition and reloading supplies in the winter/spring of 2013, you continued to shoot 300 rounds of 22LR a week for 13 weeks and then switched to centerfire. And it's someone else's fault you're out of ammo?

You are at the far end of the "poor planning" spectrum. Most people didn't buy any, yet you had plenty on hand had you slowed your pace yet insisted on maintaining your "lifestyle" regardless if you could resupply or afford to resupply, and it's "loser prepper type's" fault that you either can't easily find 22LR or aren't willing to pay current market price for .22LR at retail stores.

I'll assume you're spending the exact same amount of money on centerfire ammo since 22LR is unavailable at a price you're willing to pay. Roughly $60 a month for the .22 you would have shot.

Production cost on 22LR is a couple pennies per round less then last years retail, not much mark up on 22LR . I havent heard of any production increase but I havent looked into it a couple months either.

Let me explain my reasoning here. It's a fact that .22lr manufacturers are producing at least 150% of what they were previously (50% more). At the same time, far less .22lr ammo is being shot judging by all the people complaining about not being able to find any and my regular but less frequent trips to the range. At the same time people are price gouging for .22lr, so:

(Increased production) + (Less being shot) + (Gougers (who are not hording it)) = A cr@p load of .22lr is someone's basement

So what I'm saying is I don't really have a problem with the gougers, it's the people hording it (for some future need I assume, "preppers" maybe?) I have the issue with. Being prepared is a great idea. Being prepared with 50,000 rounds of .22lr is probably not, but don't take my word for it, first on Sierra's list of reasons you can't find .22lr is.... hoarders: http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2014 ... mmunition/

There is a metric crap-ton of 22LR for sale...it's just at stupid prices. Retailers sell out and the black market handles the "market adjustment" for the under-informed masses at the mercy of the jerks who are profiting off an inconsistent supply chain.

I wouldn't say less 22LR is being shot either. Back in 2008 there were but a handful of 'rapid fire' 22LR firearms that held over 10 rounds. Now there are dozens that hold over 20-25 rounds. So one gun can put downrange the same amount that three shooters were doing in '08.

After Sandy Hook, the number of gun owners in the USA skyrocketed.

I am willing to bet that there is at least 30 percent more gun owners today as a result.

Add them into the equation, and you have an instant shortage based on production geared to pre Sandy Hook gun owners only.

Add in some panic buying as the shortage accelerated, and you get inflation based on lack of supply.

Spice it up by ammo manufacturers unwilling to gear up for new levels of consumption.

They were thinking initially, it was just a bubble of demand that would soon break.

All that lagging behind the demand curve, and you have an even bigger problem.

So, now, today, you have all this real world stuff that created a problem backlog being influenced mildly by some early bird Wal Mart ammo buyers.

It is not realistic to blame all of the happenings of the last couple of years on some militant resellers though.

RENCORP wrote:It is not realistic to blame all of the happenings of the last couple of years on some militant resellers though.

Sure it is. I blame the "Occupy Cabelas Movement".

Don't you wish you'd have hoarded 50k of .22 when it was $150 to $200 per 5 thousand round case? I certainly do.

Ban hammer for what I feel was a fair offer is still bullshit. Again... No where near his asking price but what I feel was a fair price for an item.... As for the email I received... There is what I said, and what you feel I said.... Much similar to that of the second amendment.... There is what was said, what was written and what people wish to interpret it as. Again... I never bashed or otherwise insulted him or the price.... I offered what I believe to be a fair trade based on what ammo can be found at in the store if lucky and willing to keep your eyes open. So because of a persons "interpretation" of what I was saying... I got the ban hammer. The rule I broke was the rule involving pm's on offers and not on the wall, not bashing. but whatever is what it is.


End of speech. I won't call this a rant as lack of profanity or insults, but it is what it is.

Also, I understand that I have, over the years, insulted or hurt many peoples feelings, so from here on out, I'm gunna try and be a nicer person, if I have ever insulted, belittled, bashed or otherwise offended you, please fill out attached form as best as you can and get it to me and we can rectify the situation. Thank you have a nice day

RENCORP wrote:
It is not realistic to blame all of the happenings of the last couple of years on some militant resellers though.

they really don't cause the problem... they probably account for 1% or so of the price increase....

demand and the hoarders like US here... are to blame...

everybody should sell their stash down to the last brick for 2012 prices and it still won't make a dent because we here also represent less than 1% of the market...

so a person in the 1% forum (this forum) complaining about 1% of the gougers (one person who is part of the 1% of sellers that are "gougers" ) is basically pointless...

There is someone on this Foorum in the Ammo sect for sale selling a box of 500 RDS, 22 LR for $80.00. After all this is said, you mean to tell me that is not price gouging and some thoughts of a "market Price"? Well then I got a box of used Tampons I will sell for $50.00 since that is the going market price.

SFCRMSA wrote:There is someone on this Foorum in the Ammo sect for sale selling a box of 500 RDS, 22 LR for $80.00. After all this is said, you mean to tell me that is not price gouging and some thoughts of a "market Price"? Well then I got a box of used Tampons I will sell for $50.00 since that is the going market price.

Will you take $5?

SFCRMSA wrote:There is someone on this Foorum in the Ammo sect for sale selling a box of 500 RDS, 22 LR for $80.00. After all this is said, you mean to tell me that is not price gouging and some thoughts of a "market Price"? Well then I got a box of used Tampons I will sell for $50.00 since that is the going market price.

I can't believe no one has commented on his thread

Beer Hounds wrote:I can't believe no one has commented on his thread

Nice.

Beer Hounds wrote:I can't believe no one has commented on his thread

That post appears to be Teflon Post.
Maybe someone should try a little harder and something will finally "stick" there.

I got an $80 brick of .22 for sale.....

Nevemind I5 has them for $50 so maybe yall can just go there

PMB wrote:

Beer Hounds wrote:I can't believe no one has commented on his thread

That post appears to be Teflon Post.
Maybe someone should try a little harder and something will finally "stick" there.

No!