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AR15L wrote:

glockgirl wrote:Really? You are all so desperately afraid of illegal immigrants that you would refuse crime-victim assistance and advocacy to, say, a rape victim? The judge ruled correctly, in my view.

You no read so good.

A Montana judge struck down most of a 2012 voter-approved law requiring government officials to conduct immigration checks on anybody seeking services provided by the state — from unemployment benefits to crime-victim assistance.

It wasn't just about crime-victim assistance.

Besides, let's get back to the definition of the word illegal shall we?

If they weren't here illegally, there wouldn't be a need for crime victim assistance.
Or any other assistance for that matter.
We are bleeding out giving assistance to people who are here illegally, and to countries that would take our money and slit the throat of the person who handed it to them.

glockgirl wrote:Really? You are all so desperately afraid of illegal immigrants that you would refuse crime-victim assistance and advocacy to, say, a rape victim? The judge ruled correctly, in my view.

So fear is how you would choose to describe the justification behind such requirements, as if social services being bled dry by illegal immigrants is not an actual problem, but a simple case of xenophobia.

again Jen, i have to agree with the others, these folks don't belong in our country, they have there own country, if they don't like it there, Viva Revolution, but stay out of our country, you are not welcome here if you do not do it the legal way and learn to speak English and obey our countries laws and customs.
and i also tire of those whom say "they just want a better life", sorry but not at the expense of my "quality of life".

How about Jennifer invites about 10 of these "better life seekers" into her backyard, and provides for them (out of her pocket) for, oh say 1 year or so, lets see what tune you'll sing then...

We the people, don't want to pay for illegal activity and the crap that comes with it. Plain and effin' simple. How hard is that to understand?


Truly yours,

- Legal immigrant

movingviolation wrote:

Truly yours,

- Legal immigrant

what the hell were you thinking? Why would you follow the law?

Glockgirl...[/quote] Should be on me, since I hold dual citizenship. Two passports. You can't deport a U.S. citizen to anywhere but...ermm, the U.S.[/quote]

Jen, You like to throwout the "Duel citizenship" thing as if it's some badge of honor... this isn't the first time I have seen you put that out there.

So why is that relevant? Some advantage that the rest of us "Regular" US citizens don't have?

mancat wrote:

glockgirl wrote:Really? You are all so desperately afraid of illegal immigrants that you would refuse crime-victim assistance and advocacy to, say, a rape victim? The judge ruled correctly, in my view.

So fear is how you would choose to describe the justification behind such requirements, as if social services being bled dry by illegal immigrants is not an actual problem, but a simple case of xenophobia.

Can you show some evidence that social services are being "bled dry by illegal immigrants"?

If not, I hand the win to GlockGirl.

Benja455 wrote:

mancat wrote:

glockgirl wrote:Really? You are all so desperately afraid of illegal immigrants that you would refuse crime-victim assistance and advocacy to, say, a rape victim? The judge ruled correctly, in my view.

So fear is how you would choose to describe the justification behind such requirements, as if social services being bled dry by illegal immigrants is not an actual problem, but a simple case of xenophobia.

Can you show some evidence that social services are being "bled dry by illegal immigrants"?

If not, I hand the win to GlockGirl.

Obama's Presidency? US economy? The fact that even the canadian dollars are almost equal to US dollar?
Oh Shit what was the question?

usrifle wrote:Jen, You like to throwout the "Duel citizenship" thing as if it's some badge of honor... this isn't the first time I have seen you put that out there.

So why is that relevant? Some advantage that the rest of us "Regular" US citizens don't have?

Gary insinuated that I should be deported back to Canada, I was only responding to his comment. And yes, Greg, I know that the U.S. doesn't recognise dual citizenship; in the eyes of the State Department, I am only a U.S. citizen. However, the State Department also doesn't care if I hold multiple citizenships. As for being a duallie being a "badge of honour", you're quite wrong there. All three of my sons are also duallies, and guess what that means? If a military draft is required in either country, their chances of being called up to serve is double--either Canada or the U.S., or both-- that of your children.

glockgirl wrote:

usrifle wrote:Jen, You like to throwout the "Duel citizenship" thing as if it's some badge of honor... this isn't the first time I have seen you put that out there.

So why is that relevant? Some advantage that the rest of us "Regular" US citizens don't have?

Gary insinuated that I should be deported back to Canada, I was only responding to his comment. And yes, Greg, I know that the U.S. doesn't recognise dual citizenship; in the eyes of the State Department, I am only a U.S. citizen. However, the State Department also doesn't care if I hold multiple citizenships. As for being a duallie being a "badge of honour", you're quite wrong there. All three of my sons are also duallies, and guess what that means? If a military draft is required in either country, their chances of being called up to serve is double--either Canada or the U.S., or both-- that of your children.

Well Jen, Steve will probably delete this too but here goes
Illegal aliens cost this country billions every year. California every year pays over 25 Billion and that's just one state
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the- ... -taxpayers
30% of all prisoners in the federal prisons are illegal aliens. Illegal immigrants, usually Mexican nationals, also make up a substantial number of Hispanics incarcerated.(Wiki...)
I find it sickening that you come in here claiming to be a practicing gun owner yet you side with a political party who not only wants to disarm us but they want to let even more illegal aliens in and refuse to do anything about the millions that are here. Personally I believe people like you are part of the problem this country faces.
Slowly but surely the idiots who fucked up California with their incredibly stupid ideas are leaving there for Washington because they don't like what California has become - a sunny cesspool full of illegal aliens. CA is broke and now these same people have spread their socialist ideas through OR and WA causing us to go further and further in debt.

glockgirl wrote:

usrifle wrote:Jen, You like to throwout the "Duel citizenship" thing as if it's some badge of honor... this isn't the first time I have seen you put that out there.

So why is that relevant? Some advantage that the rest of us "Regular" US citizens don't have?

Gary insinuated that I should be deported back to Canada, I was only responding to his comment. And yes, Greg, I know that the U.S. doesn't recognise dual citizenship; in the eyes of the State Department, I am only a U.S. citizen. However, the State Department also doesn't care if I hold multiple citizenships. As for being a duallie being a "badge of honour", you're quite wrong there. All three of my sons are also duallies, and guess what that means? If a military draft is required in either country, their chances of being called up to serve is double--either Canada or the U.S., or both-- that of your children.

The draft in either country isn't likely to happen Jen, a minor "disadvantage" at best. The way I see it, serving the country in which you have lived and prospered is not a "disadvantage"

I did a little looking, seems there are a number of advantages to being a "duallie".

You get free healthcare in Canada.

You can live and work in either country, you can choose by which one is doing better economically

You vote in both.

You can get/collect social services in both countries.

You have two Embassies you can get help from while traveling.

...and you can collect Social Security from the USA, plus a Government Pension from Canada.

Your 3 boy's get to do the same, and all of their Children....and so on.

Jen, I'm sure you are a good person. I am not questioning the Integrity of you or your family in any way, but I'm sure you can see some potential issues from us regular US citizens.

We can't even take care of the Legal US citizens in this country, let alone the one's here Illegally.
(who seem to take priority). Not to mention sending mountains of cash to other countries while attempting to Police the World.

I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants....I have a problem with all the one's here ILLEGALLY that are now a burden to our social and Court system.

No other country in the world tolerates Illegal Immigrants like our Government. Mexico would lock you up, beat your ass and then deport you.
That would be your "Social services" in Mexico....where the largest segment of our "Illegal" population is from.
...but guess what? Mexico doesn't want them either. Too much of a burden on their system. They want the US to take care of them.

It's really very simple.

If you want to live and work in the United States, apply for a visa and come in the legal way.

If you cannot do it that way, stay out.

This recent flood of destitute people is heart-wrenching, but it is also ILLEGAL!

I have no problem with immigrants coming here the proper way, to become American Citizens, and being a part of the United States.

I DO have a problem with immigrants coming here, and trying to make MY country, THEIR country, especially when they do so ILLEGALLY!

Amnesty didn't work in the 80's under Reagan, and it isn't going to work now. Especially when these people who are coming here, aren't coming here to BE AMERICANS.

As long as we Americans keep allowing this, it'll never be resolved.

Lets fix the current mess that is immigrating to the US before we start calling people names.

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