missing child = warrantless search ?

[Captain90s]

My rights trump your missing kid.

[mash man]

A missing kid trumps your sandy vagina when it comes to looking in your backyard

Are you saying that you think the backyard search is legal?

Or that it doesn't matter if it's legal?

It does not matter. If you don't let the cops on your property and you later find the dead kid will you say "thank God I didn't let those cops on here" if so you should be shot in the balls every day until the day you die. So yes a missing kid does trump your backyard.

[MadPick]

I think the question is whether they need to get permission, not whether you should give it to them.

[norahc]

A missing kid trumps your sandy vagina when it comes to looking in your backyard

Are you saying that you think the backyard search is legal?

Or that it doesn't matter if it's legal?

It does not matter. If you don't let the cops on your property and you later find the dead kid will you say "thank God I didn't let those cops on here" if so you should be shot in the balls every day until the day you die. So yes a missing kid does trump your backyard.

So if a child's safety trumps personal rights, where does it stop?

For years we've heard anti-gunners cry "think of the children" in an effort to do away with one right...are you saying you support that argument? What would you be saying if instead of a dog being shot, a person was shot by the cop during a warrantless, permissionless search?

[PMB]

It seems that some folks have a different interpretation of what a right is and is not.

The area that clouds some folks thinking seems to be on an emotional level. No human loses their Natural Rights because someone else is desperate or frightened or angry or even needful.
If we go to where The People lose "rights" in any of these situations (or any other) then we have to redefine what a right is. Are they natural and inalienable? Or are they granted by other men, and therefore subject to revocation?

As a society we have determined that when a person violates other people's Natural Rights sufficiently, then the violator is labeled a criminal and as a society we have the responsibility to stop the criminal from further violating others' rights. We do that by taking away some or all of their property and by denying them the full exercise of their other rights. They don't "lose" their Natural Rights... These exist because they are alive. We prevent them from exercising them.

No law, or court, or politician, or criminal can take away your rights except by putting you to death, by taking your life. Society can infringe on your rights and make them difficult to exercise, but these rights exist as our lives exist.

The counter argument is this: Why would any reasonable person not immediately allow a search of their property in such a dire circumstance? So therefore, since it seems uncharitable, friendly, neighborly, helpful (whatever) to deny access to search for a lost child, why should someone be allowed to be uncharitable, friendly, neighborly or helpful in such a situation?

In any case, NOTHING trumps a Natural Right. Nothing. Ever.
However as individuals or as a society we can choose to violate others' Natural Rights if we or society finds the reason compelling enough. That doesn't change the fact that the victim had his rights violated.

Life isn't simple.

[mash man]

A missing kid trumps your sandy vagina when it comes to looking in your backyard

Are you saying that you think the backyard search is legal?

Or that it doesn't matter if it's legal?

It does not matter. If you don't let the cops on your property and you later find the dead kid will you say "thank God I didn't let those cops on here" if so you should be shot in the balls every day until the day you die. So yes a missing kid does trump your backyard.

So if a child's safety trumps personal rights, where does it stop?

For years we've heard anti-gunners cry "think of the children" in an effort to do away with one right...are you saying you support that argument? What would you be saying if instead of a dog being shot, a person was shot by the cop during a warrantless, permissionless search?

A missing at risk kid is apples and oranges.

[PMB]

A missing at risk kid is apples and oranges.

It's not at all different. They are exactly the same, other than the level of emotion.

So your argument is based on "If someone is desperate enough, natural rights don't count anymore" it seems.

[mash man]

I am on a plane that is about to take off and I see this

[norahc]

I am on a plane that is about to take off and I see this

Talk about apples and oranges...

3 Israeli teenagers (aged 19, 16 and 16) are kidnapped over a month ago in a region of the world known for terrorism and violence does not compare to police conducting warrantless searches in the United States.

[BadKarma]

Here are my thoughts. A missing child(mine, yours, neighbors) during an active investigation(report came to police and they are going door to door) not only would I allow them to search my property, I would hope they would investigate everyone's property in the immediate area even if the home owner was not home. Back yard, front yard and if the house is open then walk on in. I would not expect them to have a search warrant. I know of one resent case. Jacyee Dugard wishes someone would have taken the extra steps to investigate.

Do I feel(key word is feel) the same way about a wanted criminal? Not exactly. DUI suspect? Nope. It kind of ends there with me. Not a slippery slope. Not a "Well then what about" situation. Plain and simple. Kids trump rights in my opinion when missing.

Have you ever had your heart ripped out and no will to live? Try having your child go missing for 30 minutes and tell me how you feel.

[norahc]

Here are my thoughts. A missing child(mine, yours, neighbors) during an active investigation(report came to police and they are going door to door) not only would I allow them to search my property, I would hope they would investigate everyone's property in the immediate area even if the home owner was not home. Back yard, front yard and if the house is open then walk on in. I would not expect them to have a search warrant. I know of one resent case. Jacyee Dugard wishes someone would have taken the extra steps to investigate.

Do I feel(key word is feel) the same way about a wanted criminal? Not exactly. DUI suspect? Nope. It kind of ends there with me. Not a slippery slope. Not a "Well then what about" situation. Plain and simple. Kids trump rights in my opinion when missing.

Have you ever had your heart ripped out and no will to live? Try having your child go missing for 30 minutes and tell me how you feel.

Starting with the kid's own home first?

[BadKarma]

Here are my thoughts. A missing child(mine, yours, neighbors) during an active investigation(report came to police and they are going door to door) not only would I allow them to search my property, I would hope they would investigate everyone's property in the immediate area even if the home owner was not home. Back yard, front yard and if the house is open then walk on in. I would not expect them to have a search warrant. I know of one resent case. Jacyee Dugard wishes someone would have taken the extra steps to investigate.

Do I feel(key word is feel) the same way about a wanted criminal? Not exactly. DUI suspect? Nope. It kind of ends there with me. Not a slippery slope. Not a "Well then what about" situation. Plain and simple. Kids trump rights in my opinion when missing.

Have you ever had your heart ripped out and no will to live? Try having your child go missing for 30 minutes and tell me how you feel.

Starting with the kid's own home first?

yes sir. And while they are searching the missing kids home other cops can do the same at other homes in the area. It is a multi person investigation. Not one cop.

[norahc]

So what happens when a cop walks into an unlocked house on his search, and is confronted by an armed home owner? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

[root]

Here are my thoughts. A missing child(mine, yours, neighbors) during an active investigation(report came to police and they are going door to door) not only would I allow them to search my property, I would hope they would investigate everyone's property in the immediate area even if the home owner was not home. Back yard, front yard and if the house is open then walk on in. I would not expect them to have a search warrant. I know of one resent case. Jacyee Dugard wishes someone would have taken the extra steps to investigate.

Do I feel(key word is feel) the same way about a wanted criminal? Not exactly. DUI suspect? Nope. It kind of ends there with me. Not a slippery slope. Not a "Well then what about" situation. Plain and simple. Kids trump rights in my opinion when missing.

Have you ever had your heart ripped out and no will to live? Try having your child go missing for 30 minutes and tell me how you feel.

Nope. No missing crotch fruit gives cause to breach a locked area. If it is locked, then how did a 2ft nothing kid get in? Look over the fence, grab a ladder, grab the garbage bucket. Don't B&E. I am not even sure why there is even a question here.

Sorry, other people's feels end at my secured perimeter.

Now if I am home? Hell yes I will help you look. Yes I will start looking through my yard, yes I will join in the community search. However, if there is no consent, then no you do not get to enter.

[lamrith]

Here are my thoughts. A missing child(mine, yours, neighbors) during an active investigation(report came to police and they are going door to door) not only would I allow them to search my property, I would hope they would investigate everyone's property in the immediate area even if the home owner was not home. Back yard, front yard and if the house is open then walk on in. I would not expect them to have a search warrant. I know of one resent case. Jacyee Dugard wishes someone would have taken the extra steps to investigate.

Do I feel(key word is feel) the same way about a wanted criminal? Not exactly. DUI suspect? Nope. It kind of ends there with me. Not a slippery slope. Not a "Well then what about" situation. Plain and simple. Kids trump rights in my opinion when missing.

Have you ever had your heart ripped out and no will to live? Try having your child go missing for 30 minutes and tell me how you feel.

Nope. No missing crotch fruit gives cause to breach a locked area. If it is locked, then how did a 2ft nothing kid get in? Look over the fence, grab a ladder, grab the garbage bucket. Don't B&E. I am not even sure why there is even a question here.

Sorry, other people's feels end at my secured perimeter.

Now if I am home? Hell yes I will help you look. Yes I will start looking through my yard, yes I will join in the community search. However, if there is no consent, then no you do not get to enter.

+1 ASSKK and most of us will help, maybe even allow you to search. But carte Blanche to enter at will? Sorry, not acceptable.